Zimmerman's Own Words

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SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, July 7, 2013 6:12 AM

He never said that he ID's himself as a neighborhood watch person. Had he done that, we would be talking about nothing right now. At no point does he ID himself.

You're right about one thing; in the dark and rainy night, he's a stalker for all he knows. In the reenactment, he never says that Trayvon was looking into houses or trying to jimmy open doors, or trying to break into cars. He says that he's up to no good and that he appears to be on drugs.
Zimmerman must have x-ray goggles on because it's raining and dark.

He says that he was carrying something in his hand. Yeah, he was right about that: a soft drink and a bag of skittles.

In New York there was a case where a group of detectives (3) mistook a wallet for a gun and shot at the "suspect" 50 times. The "suspect" was coming home from work, an African immigrant. Imagine, you're minding your own business and some idiot wants to play "cop" and decides that you're up to no good because you cover your head from the elements, and have the nerve of carrying something in your hand.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I tend to settle the question about who's at fault by asking myself: Who approached who? There was, as I recall, a similar incident where some asshole watching a parade came off the curb to approach one of the paraders, and then claimed that he (curbman) was only "defending" himself in the ensuing scuffle.

Seriously???

GZ followed TM, even tho the police told him not to. Imagine- you're walking home at night, and some creep starts following you. You have no idea what's in his mind: Rape? Robbery? Harrassment? Handing you your wallet back, because you dropped it? Now, in my book, following (literally stalking) someone is an act of aggression. If you're following someone with an innocent purpose, especially at night and in a non-public situation (everyone else is indoors) you'll announce yourself, from a distance: Hello? Excuse me? I think you dropped your wallet!

What GZ did and failed to do is the initial crime. It's GZ's fault. Common sense should prevail.

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, July 7, 2013 6:39 AM

Zimmerman claims that they both struggled for the gun and that Martin had a hold of his holster and gun and that he wrested it away from him.

Then why wasn't any of Martin's DNA on the holster or gun. Plus, there was no trace of Zimmerman's DNA under Martin finger nails (remember Zimmerman claimed he banged his head against the concrete several times).

So, according to Zimmerman, Martin both touched the gun and him, yet no traces of Zimmerman's DNA on him and no traces of Martin's DNA on gun.
Hmmmmmmmmm!!!

SGG

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
An armed man invited himself into the personal space of an innocent doing nothing wrong. This was the first aggressive move that started the whole thing. TM had every right to stand his ground and defend himself against GZ.

Perhaps the self-defense isn't thought to apply to TM since he never prepared himself properly by pitching into the industry that loves Stand Your Ground? Or perhaps there's another reason... ?

Thing is Zimmerman following Martin and asking him, even aggressively, is not against the law. It comes down to who started the physical confrontation. Zimmerman said Martin did. The prosecution will have to show that Zimmerman started the physical confrontation or shot Martin without any physical confrontation.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

OONJERAH

Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:56 AM

Quote ShinyGoodGuy, "THIS GUY was out for blood, he picked a fight and shot him dead.
How could it be self defense when he put himself in harm's way. End of story."

If I say that, because GZ is over 21, he's a mature & responsible

adult who could easily foresee the consequences of his actions,

then yeah, there's no self-defense. He'd say, "Well, yeah! I was

out hunting for Bad Guys. It's my thing."

But because GZ is a childish, unfulfilled dickwad who is unaware

of his own egomania & the fact that He was up to no good that

night ... I can make it self defense based on his self-delusions.

... But I won't.

Quote SGG, "That's the $65 Million dollar question: when did he click the safety on the gun? If it's before he confronts Trayvon; murder. If it's after or during the struggle, Bullshit.

Right. I've read that GZ has a long history of stalking.

Quote SGG, "In the reenactment, he never says that Trayvon was looking into houses or trying to jimmy open doors, or trying to break into cars. He says that he's up to no good and that he appears to be on drugs."

I've read that GZ has a long history of stalking ... people "who were

up to no good." Those people give him a "higher purpose."

Quote SGG, "So, according to Zimmerman, Martin both touched the gun and him, yet no traces of Zimmerman's DNA on him and no traces of Martin's DNA on gun. Hmmmmmmmmm!!!"

Do you mean that TM never touched the gun (while banging GZ's head

upon the pavement)? And that George is lying to us -- again!?

Why am I not surprised?

Thanks, Shiny. You have pointed out flaws in GZ's story that I had not heard.

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All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. ~Paul Simon

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, July 7, 2013 9:19 AM

Lest we forget, Zimmerman has changed his little story at least five times now, including an admission of flat out lying in the official report, so it's not like there's any credibility to be had when he opens his mouth anyways.

His ORIGINAL bullshit story was getting out to check a street sign and being jumped from behind by surprise out of the blue for no reason by Martin, despite the obvious fact that given he was FOLLOWING Martin he kinda had him in sight and in front of him, and that story further came to pieces on the call logs, whereupon Zimmerman changed his tale, and than again when THAT version was proven a lie... and so forth and so on - frankly I feel that he damned well ought to face additional charges for knowingly giving a false police report and possibly for perjury as well, as he's made statements under oath proven to be not only demonstrably false, but also that he knew at the time were false.

No, being a stupid jackass isn't a crime - murdering someone out of wounded pride cause of a situation YOU sent spiraling out of control to feed your goddamn ego, and then lying about it repeatedly.... that *IS*.

-Frem

NIKI2

Sunday, July 7, 2013 12:38 PM

Thank you, Oonj. In many ways, your thinking parallels mine. I'm not keeping up with the trial, just hearing bits and pieces. I'm hoping the defense has questioned the DNA not being on gun or holster issue, that's a biggie. I heard about the safety being off, but forgot about it, and that's another big point. I would say at least...what do they call it, "manslaughter" or something?--if he was walking around with a gun with the safety off in the first place. I'm surprised there isn't a law against that or something, but in Florida, I don't imagine there is.

Your analysis of Zimmerman's mentality is what I have concluded, and what I was referring to in my last post. I don't think he's evil, just immature and irresponsible. But he killed out of that immaturity and irresponsibility, which makes him culpable, IMHO.

OONJERAH

Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:01 PM

If I recall your posts last year, Frem ... didn't you say that

Zimmerman wouldn't be able to keep his mouth shut, and he'd

convict himself by blab?

By now, I guess, there's no way his attorney would let him take

the stand.

In the prosecutor's opening statement, he said "fuck" & "fucker"

several times quoting Zimmerman's remarks to the dispatcher

about the suspicious person who turned out to be Martin.

I also feel that the police, at least some of them, are very

reluctant to give a straight opinion of GZ now 'cause they

refused to arrest him last year until ordered to do so by the

state's attorney.

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GEEZER

Sunday, July 7, 2013 3:25 PM

Here you go, guys.

Heck. You know he's guilty. Why bother with a trial?

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

NIKI2

Sunday, July 7, 2013 5:06 PM

Asinine, Geezer. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, even if you disagree with it, y'know? We're not on the jury; what information we get, we're allowed to listen to and make up our own minds, whether you like it or not, sorry.

Not to mention the fact that I'd appreciate you pointing out any person on this forum who has called for Zimmerman to be killed for his actions. In other words: Asinine.

GEEZER

Sunday, July 7, 2013 6:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Everyone's entitled to their opinion...

Yep.

Mine is that a lot of folks are jumping to conclusions based on stereotypes and prejudices, and are cherrypicking evidence - and stuff not in evidence - to back up what they've already decided.

Unlike these folks, I have no idea what actually happened, and am willing to accept 'innocent until proven guilty".

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

MAL4PREZ

Sunday, July 7, 2013 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:

Mine is that a lot of folks are jumping to conclusions based on stereotypes and prejudices

Oh, you mean like someone who would accuse/try/find guilty/sentence to death/carry out the death sentence of an innocent young man in the space of a few minutes despite warnings from the real authorities to NOT do any of that? All for the heinous crime of walking after dark while wearing a hoodie and dark skin?

Geezer, what's really illuminating is how, from day one, you and your con buddies have been cherry picking evidence and making all possible assumptions that excuse the scared little man with the gun. Talk about drawing your own conclusions based on your own stereotypes and prejudices!

As for the noose - no one here has suggested killing Zimmerman. Martin, however, is fully and completely dead. Did you notice? Does it seem like any kind of injustice to you that this young man is dead? I've yet to see you or GZ express remorse about that. Again, very illuminating.

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