Mistake in Star Wars- A New Hope ???
POSTED BY: Calhoun
UPDATED: Sunday, September 26, 2004 08:45
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I don't see why people rip on the prequels so much. George spent 20 years explaining that the prequels would be like this, that 4-6 were the most personal and the prequels were a mostly political story about the fall of the republic. Fanboys urge him to make them anyway, yet when they come out people complain that they're not like the originals and are a more political story. I don't understand, did they expect him to change the story while making them or what?
I really like the prequels, episode 1 still grates on me a bit but I love episode 2, especially if you include the deleted scenes as part of the film. They're good fun and there's political intrigue aplenty going on in the background.
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TheRealMe: I totally agree with you on this! Every time I watch Star Wars, I watch as I would have when I was little and it came out. I turn off my adult brain (how much of one there is...lol) and watch as my nephews would. That's the best part about it! No deep thought, no confusing, complicated plot lines, just a good clean ride.
I go to movies with this mentality (especially when it's Star Wars): If you expect anything, on any movie, you will usually be disappointed because you expected too much. If you expect nothing, and the movie's any good at all, you will be pleasantly surprised.... If that makes sense to you all.
Also, I can't wait to see Ep III. I liked (liked, not loved) Ep I and II, and I want to see how well he does with III before I can say that it was great or not.
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The "parsecs" line is where Han is bragging to Obi-wan and Luke in the cantina, obviously taking them for two rubes, and says the Millenium Falcon "made the Kessel run in 6 parsecs" or something to that effect (I don't have the exact quote but that's the gist). Parsecs, of course, are a measure of interstellar distance, not time, and this line was much commented on when the film came out as a flub. Kurtz, the original movie's producer, told us to watch Obi-wan right after Han makes this comment. It makes the comment understandable and gets a giggle out of me every time I see it.
The Kessel Run comment was supposed to mean:
When the Kessel Run was made, it was made through an asteroid field that was constantly moving. Most other pilots who had flown the Kessel Run had to fly around 14-20 parsecs before they would make it out. It took Han 12 parsecs to get out. Basically, he was using it as a measure of distance and not time. It's like you can say that it takes you 4 miles to get out of downtown New York City, and for most people it takes 8, you not only get out quicker, but you travelled less distance doing so. That means you know the terrain better than anyone else and you know all of the shortcuts. I don't remember where I read that at..... it was either one of the Star Wars books or in the Star Wars Companion.
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Bojesphob wrote:
Saturday, September 25, 2004 02:49
The Kessel Run comment was supposed to mean:
When the Kessel Run was made, it was made through an asteroid field that was constantly moving. Most other pilots who had flown the Kessel Run had to fly around 14-20 parsecs before they would make it out. It took Han 12 parsecs to get out. Basically, he was using it as a measure of distance and not time. It's like you can say that it takes you 4 miles to get out of downtown New York City, and for most people it takes 8, you not only get out quicker, but you travelled less distance doing so. That means you know the terrain better than anyone else and you know all of the shortcuts. I don't remember where I read that at..... it was either one of the Star Wars books or in the Star Wars Companion.
It was in the books. Only I dont think it was asteroids, I think it was a dense region of blacks holes called "the Maw". Pilots normally have to fly right around the intense gravitational tides but hot shot smugglers would "thread the needle" so to speak and travel the shortest distance possible(a straight line) cancelling out opposing black holes gravitation by flying inbetween. Hans 12 parsecs must have been very close to straight.
Or maybe it was a stuff up
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Originally posted by Peace:
...........watch Obi-wan's reaction to Han's line-- it's subtle bit of business but priceless, and it puts everything into context.
....Kurtz, the original movie's producer, told us to watch Obi-wan right after Han makes this comment. It makes the comment understandable and gets a giggle out of me every time I see it.
Oh, bugger! Now I have to wait for someone to wake up!
I love the explanation of the "parsecs" comment (that Han made the run in a shorter distance), and I think it makes sense. But I'm still not sure I understand how Obi Wan's reaction to Han's statement explains anything -- could you please clarify? And by the way, when we watch it, we DO pay special attention to Obi Wan's expression in that scene, because my husband says he looks totally camp when he pulls that face, and we always get a huge laugh out of it. So I guess we're all laughing, but for different reasons?! What do you think the expression means? (And I'm sure that to you it means nothing like "Well, helloooo, Sailor!" or, "MY, you're a big boy, aren't you?" -- like it does to those of us with twisted minds.)
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It was in the books. Only I dont think it was asteroids, I think it was a dense region of blacks holes called "the Maw". Pilots normally have to fly right around the intense gravitational tides but hot shot smugglers would "thread the needle" so to speak and travel the shortest distance possible(a straight line) cancelling out opposing black holes gravitation by flying inbetween. Hans 12 parsecs must have been very close to straight.
Close, but not quite.
Only a Jedi or someone with an exact map of the route in can actually navigate the Maw.
Han simply skirted closer to the outside of the cluster than is generally considered wise, thus shaving some distance off.
The Han Solo trilogy by AC Crispin mentions that the Kessel Run involves both the Maw and an asteroid field, so the first answer about that was not entirely wrong either.
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Originally posted by sgtgump:
What the hell is 'Star Wars'?
A movie to which Firefly owes at least some small part of its existence.
Joss has said that the Millenium Falcon was part of his inspiration for Firefly.
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Originally posted by sexchicken:
God bless ya! We need to discuss this on another thread I think...
As long as we stick pre-season 5. Not that I'm a Sorkin-ite you understand, just limited to what the UK has shown (and gorram if the new scheduling of season 4, finally, means that its on TV that I can see, but have missed all bar a few minutes of the first two episodes. Thankfully the full DVD of the season is out tomorrow so will be up to speed - in a loose fashion - by the end of the week no doubt)
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Lindley wrote:
Saturday, September 25, 2004 05:06
Only a Jedi or someone with an exact map of the route in can actually navigate the Maw.
Han simply skirted closer to the outside of the cluster than is generally considered wise, thus shaving some distance off.
The Han Solo trilogy by AC Crispin mentions that the Kessel Run involves both the Maw and an asteroid field, so the first answer about that was not entirely wrong either.
Hmmm, you could be right.. I'll have to dig that Han Solo trilogy out and check.
Point is Hans 12 parsec line was used in the correct context.
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My memory is that the Han Solo trilogy only marginally covers that material. There's a more in-depth explanation in the Jedi Academy Trilogy.
Of course, that's not as nice a re-read.
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Originally posted by Calhoun:
Onboard the Death Star just after Obi Wan disables the tractor beam 2 stormtroopers arrive and stand on the gangway. Using the force Obi produces a noise to which the stormtroopers say "What was that? ahh it was nothing , just POP GASSING."
This has been bugging me since 1977... I believe the line should have read "GAS POPPING" not "POP GASSING" maybe the stormtrooper was dyslexic..
Okay, in response to the original topic:
From the first time I saw it, I always thought the 'trooper said "broadcasting."
As in, when you talk on two-way radios, there are little noises, and since the 'troopers have radios in thier helmets, they every now and then get those broadcasting sounds. I always assumed that's what he said, I never heard any different.
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