Latest quote from Zarqawi. Whups, FOR Zarqawi from the Kerry Campaign
POSTED BY: LostInTheVerse
UPDATED: Friday, October 1, 2004 20:49
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"The last thing you want to be seen as is a puppet of the United States, and you can almost see the hand underneath the shirt today moving the lips," senior Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart told the Los Angeles Times [referring to Iraqi interim P.M. Ayad Allawi].
I thought I was beyond being stunned by anything either side can say this election season, but this little gem had me speechless. Does Lockhart have any clue about consequences from things he says? That statement just gives affirmation to Zarqawi and his Thugs to attack soldiers as well as kidnap and murder civilians. Why didn't Kerry fire this guy? Why didn't he at least retract the statement? By not coming out and disagreeing, Kerry has given his implicit endorsement to the above statement. It shows a certain lack of respect for human life... A certain willingness to sacrifice the lives of others for personal gain. Americans (and the Iraqis who attack them) will bleed for that statement, just like Americans (and the Vietnamese who attacked them) bled for John Kerry's statements in the '70s.
One (very angry) man's opinion. Feel free to tear it apart, or even agree on occasion.
~ Lost In The 'Verse
"About a year before we met, I spent 6 months on a moon where the primary form of recreation was juggling geese. My hand to god. Baby geese. Goslings. They were juggled!"
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The blood is on Bush's hands, not Kerry's.
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I don't understand how you get from the quote to your conclusion.
On a related note, how common is it for the head of a country that is in the middle of a war being fought solely within its own borders to leave that country and fly halfway around the world to deliver a press conference?
There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.
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Originally posted by Succatash:
The blood is on Bush's hands, not Kerry's.
Trying -- hard -- not -- to -- post
Okay, I try not to get into political discussions here because Firefly isn't supposed to be about that, but I can't help myself on this one. Please consider:
If Bush is driving a car with the engine on fire--let's say due to his own mechanical incompetence--and Kerry's aide throws some gasoline on the engine, does the aide not share ANY of the blame for the result?
Things are going to get really critical in Iraq really fast over the next few months. It seems to me that US citizens need to come to an agreement that this is the fix we're in, we can't undo it, but we CAN avoid publicly undercutting best efforts to bring about a reasonable outcome for both the Iraqi people and our own nation.
The statement made by Kerry's aide is undercutting and a bad idea.
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"Americans (and the Iraqis who attack them) will bleed for that statement..."
It seems to me that US citizens need to come to an agreement that this is the fix we're in, we can't undo it, but we CAN avoid publicly undercutting best efforts to bring about a reasonable outcome for both the Iraqi people and our own nation."
You guys sound dangerously close to saying, "Every time someone complains about the war, a soldier dies."
What an appalling concept. Silencing protestors and faking agreement is not the answer.
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Bush: "I've decided to invade a country. Please don't make negative statements about my actions, because if you do, a lot of people will die and the blood is on your hands."
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Originally posted by Succatash:
"Americans (and the Iraqis who attack them) will bleed for that statement..."
It seems to me that US citizens need to come to an agreement that this is the fix we're in, we can't undo it, but we CAN avoid publicly undercutting best efforts to bring about a reasonable outcome for both the Iraqi people and our own nation."
You guys sound dangerously close to saying, "Every time someone complains about the war, a soldier dies."
What an appalling concept. Silencing protestors and faking agreement is not the answer.
You say I came "dangerously close" ... but DID I cross that line? No.
Protesting and disagreeing are the American way. However, once your nation and your soldiers are at war, you need to consider carefully the consequences of what you say. I was one of the people who protested the Vietnam War. I have a much better understanding now of how certain statements result in more harm than good. I believe Kerry's aide crossed the line.
There is a HUGE difference between saying, "We shouldn't have gone to war because XYZ, we disagree with how the war is being handled, we believe that the US should do XYZ, dump Bush," and "Allawi is a puppet of the US government." A huge difference.
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That statement just gives affirmation to Zarqawi and his Thugs to attack soldiers as well as kidnap and murder civilians.
OK. Here's your chance to call me stupid.
How is Lockhart's statement an invitation to attack and murder?
Be explicit, remember, you're dealing with a stupid person.
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This is what stunned you?
Not the Vice President saying that electing the other party's candidate would result in more terror attacks, undermining the very principle of democracy?
Not spending lives annd treasure, ostensibly to overthrow a tyrant (Saddam Hussein), only to replace said tyrant with another thug cut from the same cloth (Allawi - and don't you dare try to deny it or you will lose all credibility with myself and anyone else capable of reading)?
Not the fact that the second largest force in Iraq, next to the US Army, is the force of US-hired mercenaries?
Not the commission of torture by American forces, even if it was okayed by the Justice *ahem* Department ahead of time?
Not the Congress subverting the Constitution and abdicating their responsibility to be the branch of government that declares war?
Not the passing of a tax cut while running up trillions of dollars in debt with drugs programs and, maybe you've heard of this, a WAR going on?
From all indications my countrymen have gone completely totally batsh!t insane.
And please, we all know Cheney has his hand shoved so far up Allawi's backside that the lump in his throat ain't an Adam's Apple, it's Cheney's knuckle.
Face reality as it is, not as you wish it were. Only then can we start to solve problems.
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I'm not saying any of those things, I'm not even saying Allawi is not a puppet. I don't have enough information to make that assertion. Cheney's attack on Kerry, while ill advised, doesn't directly result in more lives lost. A senior guy in the Kerry camp "affirming" one of the major driving forces behind the insurgency with no rebuttal by the American senator running the camp does. One of the main arguments Zarqawi is using is that Allawi is an American puppet, so the Iraqi government is not legitimate. Lockhart just fed the beast.
In response to some other posts, I am in no way saying that every time somebody disagrees with the war more people die. It's a war, people die. I hate it, you hate it, we all hate war. It freaking sucks. But we're in one, and we can't just back out now. We sure as hell can try to minimize the damage though. Lockhart undercut that effort in a huge way.
Either way, this is just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it.
~ Lost In The 'Verse
"About a year before we met, I spent 6 months on a moon where the primary form of recreation was juggling geese. My hand to god. Baby geese. Goslings. They were juggled!"
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