The movie is done! someone in this verse must have a copy!
POSTED BY: serenityfan2004
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 13:28
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I've got no problem downloading stuff for free off the internet..like I said there are degrees to everything.. anything can be rationalized so I'm not even going to go there..but I will state again.. I've got no problem with getting stuff off the net for free!!
So... basicly your saying, if you are ever going to do music, software, photography, designing, writing etc, we do not have to pay for it? as long as we use internet to get it?
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Originally posted by whispering:Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:
I've got no problem downloading stuff for free off the internet..like I said there are degrees to everything.. anything can be rationalized so I'm not even going to go there..but I will state again.. I've got no problem with getting stuff off the net for free!!
So... basicly your saying, if you are ever going to do music, software, photography, designing, writing etc, we do not have to pay for it? as long as we use internet to get it?
exactly as long as its on the net and you can get it for free...then by all means get it for free. thats my motto and I'm sticking to it!!
I'm curious I wonder if anyone in this thread who's saying its wrong to take from the net without paying has downloaded music for free..because its the same thing!!
even though its not a personal issue I think its kind of funny and ironic..that we all love a show where the main charactors are theives..
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
even though its not a personal issue I think its kind of funny and ironic..that we all love a show where the main charactors are theives..
yet the actors, writers, designers and countless others who make the show a reality are not. reality.. you do know what that is? I can assure you stealing the data you have on the internet is quite illegal, not just because I say so, but because the congressmen who make our LAWS say so. I sincerely hope you find that out the hard way some day.
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"Don't steal the show about thieves!"
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Originally posted by glico:
Art is very much a democrisy. The more people like, and are willing to pay for things of type x, the more x they will get.
However, art being a democrisy is somewhat scary, I'll admit. But I don't think there's an alternative.
actually.. no... it isn't. should I post the definition of democracy?
I wonder if you do any art yourself, I would assume no, because of your attitude, but I have been wrong in the past, though certainly not now.
I would not dream of asking someone or some committee to tell me how to create what I create.. and with only minor exception, neither did Joss and crew on firefly/serenity.
You see Joss is not making this movie, and giving it to the public for free and hoping they send money to him. he is creating a product which will be marketed and sold to a (hopefully) vast array of consumers. Like... a car... or food. Thusly, stealing it... is no different (electronically or not) than stealing a car, etc.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
exactly as long as its on the net and you can get it for free...then by all means get it for free. thats my motto and I'm sticking to it!!
I'm curious I wonder if anyone in this thread who's saying its wrong to take from the net without paying has downloaded music for free..because its the same thing!!
So everybody working in the music and movie industry should do it for free? How do they pay their rent and buy food then?
...and yes i buy my CD's, thanks for asking :)
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Originally posted by Winterfell:Quote:
Originally posted by glico:
Art is very much a democracy. The more people like, and are willing to pay for things of type x, the more x they will get.
However, art being a democrisy is somewhat scary, I'll admit. But I don't think there's an alternative.
actually.. no... it isn't. should I post the definition of democracy?
I wonder if you do any art yourself, I would assume no, because of your attitude, but I have been wrong in the past, though certainly not now.
I would not dream of asking someone or some committee to tell me how to create what I create.. and with only minor exception, neither did Joss and crew on firefly/serenity.
You see Joss is not making this movie, and giving it to the public for free and hoping they send money to him. he is creating a product which will be marketed and sold to a (hopefully) vast array of consumers. Like... a car... or food. Thusly, stealing it... is no different (electronically or not) than stealing a car, etc.
de·moc·ra·cy
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.
The definitions are all closely related, but I'll go with number three, because we are not speaking of government. It takes money to make a movie. 'Versal is paying for production. Their investment can only be returned by the common people paying money for it. Therefore, commercial art that requires a significant investment is definitely democratic.
In response to your assertion, I'm afraid you can count one more time you were wrong. I do photography, and computer programming(which is very much an art, although appreciated by very few). Neither of these interests are commercial, so I do not have a public to answer to. If I were to attempt to support myself by selling photographs or computer software though, I would have to create something that the public wants, not what I want.
I've been through what is and is not stealing before, and I'm not going to do it again. You assert that you can steal an idea, which is fundamentally rediculous.
The world we live in is one in which things will be copied, and working against this is swimming upstream.
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tribes wrote, in part:
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...3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard...
So, there you have it. Stealing is great, as long as it doesn't happen to you. It's even venerated in our National Pastime.
Of course, it does beg the question: "If you steal your favorite movies and games and music, how will your favorite artists make more for you to steal?"
It's called 'killing the goose that laid the golden eggs'. Google that, if you were never introduced to morals...
Disheartened,
zoid
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Only 209 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes, and 47 seconds left until The BDM! (Or less than that, if you can lay hands on a leaked screener...)
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piratejenny wrote
exactly as long as its on the net and you can get it for free...then by all means get it for free. thats my motto and I'm sticking to it!!
Well, let's see here....If I can get your personal information,
credit cards, banking info, social security number off the
net than I get to use your financial identity for my benefit at your cost.
And I can do this all for free because I can get it off the net!
You are not going to be a hypocrite and tell me that my choosing to take your financial identity from the net would be stealing from you now are you?
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I rarely see movies in a theatre. In the last four years, I've seen only three movies in a theatre--the three Lord of the Rings movies. Most movies I see for the first time on DVD or cable TV. But I'm going to be sure to see Serenity in a theatre and probably more than once.
roj
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