The movie is done! someone in this verse must have a copy!
POSTED BY: serenityfan2004
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 13:28
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Originally posted by Succatash:
Sometimes, you just need to ask yourself:
"What would Jayne do?"
Jayne would steal the finished origninal product from ME offices and sell it to the highest bidder and buy himself a whole load of really goofy hats.
And whores. :)
"Where I come from, we have a saying: "When you yoo-hoo in the forest, the yoo-hoo that you yoo-hoo will come back to you." "Where did you say you were from again?"
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wow, can't say i have any respect for you as a human. but i doubt you'll lose any sleep for it. I hope you do end up meeting joss and crew someday. please let them know how you feel to thier faces. But I guess if you are the kind of person who can say what you just did, you probably don't care much about the show, the movie, or any of this at all. nature my ass.
If I was lucky enough to get a bootleg..it doesn't mean I wouldn't go out and pay and see the movie because I would..I like the movie experience.. and if I happened to see Joss and co to their faces I would still feel the same way..if I can get something for free I'm going too.. bottom line...and that is the nature of the way things are..thats reality..and your right I wouldn't lose any sleep over it not one bit
I'm just being honest
its not really any diffrent from downloading music off the net for free..and how many of us do that..I know I do!!
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Originally posted by Shanyu
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Ok heres the thing i know it dont make sense coming from me but piracy is WRONG unless you plan to go see the movie in theaters as many times as you would if u hadent seen it. so if you download a movie then dont see it in theaters it is wrong, truthfully it is wrong
but why is it so wrong..I don't know if I buy that...the theaters and movie distributors rip people off everyday..over charging for tickets paying actors Millions of dollars...
not to say that two so called wrongs make a right but it does kind of balance it out..just don't necessarily buy that its wrong just because someone says it is.. its alright in my book. I wouldn't hesitate to get a bootleg if I could!!
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Sometimes, you just need to ask yourself:
"What would Jayne do?"
yesss!!! not only what would Jayne do..but what would the crew of Serenity do ..more then likely they would steal it!!!
They are all Pirates aren't they!!!
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Whatever motivated Serenityfan2004 to start this thread it resulted in this rather interesting discussion so thanks, Serenityfan2004/Shanyu for that. I take it you were just impatient. Anyway, I’m just gonna throw in my two cents.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
I've been trying to think of a scenario where I could justify watching a bootlegged copy of the BDM, and for me, personally, I just couldn't click that link. But that's because I live in the US where we know the release date. The decision would be much harder if I lived in a country that might not get Serenity until the end of summer - well after Serenity's success was established (at least for the domestic US run).
I’ve been thinking about this as I live somewhere on edges of Scandinavia where the release date for Serenity is yet unknown. So for me there’s most likely going to be plenty of time and opportunities to fall for that temptation to download a crappy bootlegged copy of Serenity even after it’s released in the States. The fact a certain little movie called I, Robot I’ve been wanting to see is getting its premier here tomorrow should give you folks some idea. It’s been a while that thing got to theatres elsewhere, hasn’t it.
As tempting as a link to a bootleg copy of Serenity would be I would not click it. I haven’t been a rapid fan of anything before Firefly and never in my life anticipated a movie this much. So to see a crappy copy of the BDM would be like sullying the whole experience. Nope, I want to see it properly in theaters, many times and support the hopefully-bigger-than-just-one-movie franchise. Even if it means waiting a couple of months longer.
The ONLY possible scenario where I would download that bootlegged version is where Serenity wouldn’t get a theatrical release here at all and I couldn’t come up with the money to fly someplace else to see it. I’m buying the DVD for sure but there’s no way in hell I’m waiting that long to see it. But as small as a movie market Finland is I’m sure Universal still wants our money and we’ll get to see Serenity eventually.
The real trick for me is going to be staying away from these boards after April 22 just to avoid the big spoiler that is the entire movie. You people are going to be gloating and even if I wouldn’t mind spoilers I don’t think I could take that.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:Quote:
wow, can't say i have any respect for you as a human. but i doubt you'll lose any sleep for it. I hope you do end up meeting joss and crew someday. please let them know how you feel to thier faces. But I guess if you are the kind of person who can say what you just did, you probably don't care much about the show, the movie, or any of this at all. nature my ass.
If I was lucky enough to get a bootleg..it doesn't mean I wouldn't go out and pay and see the movie because I would..I like the movie experience.. and if I happened to see Joss and co to their faces I would still feel the same way..if I can get something for free I'm going too.. bottom line...and that is the nature of the way things are..thats reality..and your right I wouldn't lose any sleep over it not one bit
I'm just being honest
its not really any diffrent from downloading music off the net for free..and how many of us do that..I know I do!!
I want your car. I want the experience of driving your car. If I can get your car for free, I am going to. That is the nature of the way things are. That is your reality and your honesty.
Sleep well.
'well here I am'
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I want your car. I want the experience of driving your car. If I can get your car for free, I am going to. That is the nature of the way things are. This is your reality and your honesty.
You are equating physical things to ideas. I tell you this is not true, but you don't listen or respond. You get someone not to do something by turning the risk/benefit proportions to high risk of getting caught for the thief, compared to relatively low benefit. Locks, alarm systems, cameras, courts and so on do this for cars. Information piracy has no equivalant. Therefore, high benefit zero risk, people will do the action, download the film. We are entering a time when artists much work based on the generosity of their audience. You may not like it but it is the truth.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
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wow, can't say i have any respect for you as a human. but i doubt you'll lose any sleep for it. I hope you do end up meeting joss and crew someday. please let them know how you feel to thier faces. But I guess if you are the kind of person who can say what you just did, you probably don't care much about the show, the movie, or any of this at all. nature my ass.
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If I was lucky enough to get a bootleg..it doesn't mean I wouldn't go out and pay and see the movie because I would..I like the movie experience.. and if I happened to see Joss and co to their faces I would still feel the same way..if I can get something for free I'm going too.. bottom line...and that is the nature of the way things are..thats reality..and your right I wouldn't lose any sleep over it not one bit
I'm just being honest
its not really any diffrent from downloading music off the net for free..and how many of us do that..I know I do!!
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I want your car. I want the experience of driving your car. If I can get your car for free, I am going to. That is the nature of the way things are. That is your reality and your honesty.
Sleep well.
'well here I am'
I wouldn't compare stealing someone's car to Pirating a movie off the net..its just not the same thing..there are degrees to everything
but your right...that is the nature and the reality of the way things are...and it has nothing to do with my honesty..just ask a car thief or anyone who's had their car stolen...
Unfortuntely for everyone Life Is Unfair!!
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Does anyone really know the ramifications of such piracy? I don't know, I'm really just curious.
Probably like most of you, I've heard plenty of tales of woe about how downloading movies or music hurts everyone involved in the creation. Are cast and crew really paid less because the company fears potential piracy? Where are the statistics? What are the percentages? How much money out of every ticket sold in a theater goes to Universal? I'm guessing that the cast and crew have already been paid, so any other potential profit they would see would be "icing on the cake," as they say. How much money would a movie with a $50Million budget have to make to be "successful"? Do they need to make back their original expenditure plus a certain estimated percentage based on some forecast? I can only guess that they need to get their money back at very least. And if that's the case, that's an awful lot of money. How many people would there have to be who download the movie and decide upon that not to go to the theater to make a dent in the realized profits? If 10,000 people downloaded the movie and didn't see it in the theaters, would that mean that Universal would only make $101.3M instead of $101.5M?
Again, I just don't know. I'm not judging the rightness or wrongness of it, I'm just posing these qustions. I think it would be helpful to have this information - based on actual numbers, or even close estimates, so long as they are factual - before judging how downloading this movie (or anything else) would adversely affect Serenity, Joss, etc. Without any solid information, everything's just speculation based on spin from the creators of that which is being downloaded.
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Originally posted by glico:Quote:
I want your car. I want the experience of driving your car. If I can get your car for free, I am going to. That is the nature of the way things are. This is your reality and your honesty.
You are equating physical things to ideas. I tell you this is not true, but you don't listen or respond. You get someone not to do something by turning the risk/benefit proportions to high risk of getting caught for the thief, compared to relatively low benefit. Locks, alarm systems, cameras, courts and so on do this for cars. Information piracy has no equivalant. Therefore, high benefit zero risk, people will do the action, download the film. We are entering a time when artists much work based on the generosity of their audience. You may not like it but it is the truth.
That is not what we are talking about at all. You seem to be creating your own reality where you get to state what is product (a car) and what is free information (art/movies). That is ridiculous. FIRST off even if we were dealing with "ideas", they too are protected by copyright, patent, and trade mark law. Regardless of that, we weren't referring to some guys idea of some story he never wrote. We are talking about product. Marketable, protected product. A complete and physically tangible product as real as the car you seem to love and hold so dear. What I don't understand is how so many "fans" can piss all over joss and crew by openly stating their desire to steal their work, ideas, time, money, and product.
The following is not directed at anyone specifically, other than the "fans" whom I described above.
You can sit behind your big glowing screen of instant gratification feeling safe and warm while violating the well being of artist, performers, engineers, technicians, and the countless others it took to create the PRODUCT you stole/want to/plan to steal, and you can laugh at the injustice in the world and stupidly wonder why the quality of film and television are so rapidly declining. I can't claim to know how these fine actors, writers, and geniuses who created this wonderful world I enjoy so much would truly react to you or your attitudes, but I can imagine the looks on their faces, the feeling in their stomach, and the bad aftertaste in their mouth after having said "thank you" to the sorry people like yourselves.
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Piratejenny quote
"I wouldn't compare stealing someone's car to Pirating a movie off the net..its just not the same thing..there are degrees to everything"
steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
intransitive senses
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring
- steal·able /'stE-l&-b&l/ adjective
- steal·er noun
- steal a march on : to gain an advantage on unobserved
- steal one's thunder : to grab attention from another especially by anticipating an idea, plan, or presentation also : to claim credit for another's idea
synonyms STEAL, PILFER, FILCH, PURLOIN mean to take from another without right or without detection. STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things
Main Entry: 2pirate
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): pi·rat·ed; pi·rat·ing
transitive senses
1 : to commit piracy on
2 : to take or appropriate by piracy : as a : to reproduce without authorization especially in infringement of copyright b : to lure away from another employer by offers of betterment
intransitive senses : to commit or practice piracy
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