The movie is done! someone in this verse must have a copy!
POSTED BY: serenityfan2004
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 13:28
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Ok heres the thing i know it dont make sense coming from me but piracy is WRONG unless you plan to go see the movie in theaters as many times as you would if u hadent seen it. so if you download a movie then dont see it in theaters it is wrong, truthfully it is wrong to dowbload it period but its just so tempting and very few can withstand that temtation especcially with a movie like this. My opion is if you at one point download a movie see it in teateres an extra time to make up for it, and i truthfully now do not want to see serenity before it comes into theaters beacse of this thread and reading all the comments it made me relize doing so would be wrong.
"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"
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Oops sorry for the Quadrouple post! didnt mean to!
"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"
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Originally posted by ShanYu:
Ok heres the thing i know it dont make sense coming from me but piracy is WRONG unless you plan to go see the movie in theaters as many times as you would if u hadent seen it. so if you download a movie then dont see it in theaters it is wrong, truthfully it is wrong to dowbload it period but its just so tempting and very few can withstand that temtation especcially with a movie like this. My opion is if you at one point download a movie see it in teateres an extra time to make up for it, and i truthfully now do not want to see serenity before it comes into theaters beacse of this thread and reading all the comments it made me relize doing so would be wrong.
I whole-heartedly disagree with your point of view. Lets put away the fact that you are STEALING the film before it's intended release date for a moment and focus on some of the finer points.
you decide, i'll download it, watch it, love it, and go see it in the theater. maybe I'll let my friend watch it once too. Nothing wrong with that right? WRONG. why? the very existance of an illegal copy availible on the internet would allow people (maybe few, maybe many, whatever.. at least 1 fricken person) to download it and lose the desire to see it in the theater. That was 1 ticket sale we lost. Honestly.. we can't afford that. every gorram ticket sale counts. listen to joss at the cons, you know the movie happened because of the dvd sales.. not the dvd downloads.
I want a gorram sequal.
if your little impatient asses can't handle that, and want to ruin my chances of having my gorram sequal, then cào nî zûxiān shí bâ dai
seriously.
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Originally posted by glico:
Allright, you all seem to be missing something about information piracy, so i'll explain. Downloading a movie is not at all analgous to picking Jewel's purse. It is more analgous to overhearing a conversation, then repeating it. It's someone else's, but it's not hurting them directly when you take it. We're talking about the loss of something, vs the loss of a POTENTIAL sale of something. There's a big difference.
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I'd say your analogy is seriously flawed. Overheard conversations do not have access fees attached to them, and no one expects them to.
A much closer, and more accurate, analogy would be this: It's as if, rather than paying a ticket to hear a lecture by an author, I snuck in the back way, listened to the speech for free, and made a tape recording which I then took home with me.
By pointing this out, I am not saying whether not I am on the side of the pirates; that's a debate I choose not to get into. I merely suggest that if you're going to use an analogy, you should use one that holds up to logical analysis -- as yours does not.
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"Take my love, take my land, take my wife -- please." -- Henny Youngman performs the Firefly Theme.
Fine, but -- ideas are fundamentally different from things. One cannot "steal" an idea, stealing requires removing something from someone else's possesion. In a society where everyone was ethically perfect, people would download the movie, then based on that decide whether to give money, and if so how much. I think this is a model worth working towards. I'll leave it at that for now.
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Originally posted by glico:
Fine, but -- ideas are fundamentally different from things. One cannot "steal" an idea, stealing requires removing something from someone else's possesion. In a society where everyone was ethically perfect, people would download the movie, then based on that decide whether to give money, and if so how much. I think this is a model worth working towards. I'll leave it at that for now.
A society where information is free to all is indeed a model worth working towards. I am simply making sure we understand that this isn't the society we live in now.
As long as an idea has a monetary value attached to it, be it a piece of software, a concept, a film, a story idea, an ethical construct, what have you -- as long as that is true, under today's societal and economic structure, then those ideas are, by definition, "things."
Do I wish it weren't so? Perhaps. But let's not confuse the ideal with the reality when discussing matters as they exist rather than as we would prefer them to exist.
I also take strong exception to your contention that "one cannot 'steal' an idea." One most certainly can. It is known as plagiarism. And no amount of wishing we lived in a free, information-open society invalidates the fact that ideas can be stolen, have been stolen, and will continue to be stolen.
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"Take my love, take my land, take my wife -- please." -- Henny Youngman performs the Firefly Theme.
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Originally posted by Winterfell:
...the very existance of an illegal copy availible on the internet would allow people (maybe few, maybe many, whatever.. at least 1 fricken person) to download it and lose the desire to see it in the theater. That was 1 ticket sale we lost. Honestly.. we can't afford that. every gorram ticket sale counts.
Sorry, but if it weren't for "illegal copies" I would never have been able to find and appreciate Firefly. SO that's 1 ticket sale that was GAINED thanks to the likes of me. And I'll make several friends and relatives to go see the BDM! Information should be Free! The crappy "copies" available on the internet are no comparison to the real thing, and I don't belive for a second that they hurt sales of movie tickets or DVDs.
Oh, and play Strange Adventures in Infinite Space. http://digital-eel.com/sais
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Originally posted by Succatash:
But let's be realistic. If someone posted a legitimate link to a 900 MB screener DVD rip, 3 months before the release date-- WOULDN'T YOU CLICK THE LINK? Damn. How tempting is that?
warning: semi-self-righteous mini-rant ahead
Me? Nope. Not a chance. Don't believe in it, don't download songs off the Internet, don't do any of that, and I've yelled at my friends who do. I don't think it's right or fair.
This may be the reason why I always get Mal and Angel when I take those stupid quizzes. :)
"Where I come from, we have a saying: "When you yoo-hoo in the forest, the yoo-hoo that you yoo-hoo will come back to you." "Where did you say you were from again?"
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Sometimes, you just need to ask yourself:
"What would Jayne do?"
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Does anyone have numbers on what it actually costs to film something of Firefly quality(not mentioning Serenity yet since I haven't seen it)? I mean film costs, set costs, etcetera not including what it costs for us to get the brilliant creative talent. I want these figures to decide whether a possible argument on free art/information is plausible in a capitalist system.
Glico.
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Originally posted by Winterfell:Quote:
Originally posted by ShanYu:
Ok heres the thing i know it dont make sense coming from me but piracy is WRONG unless you plan to go see the movie in theaters as many times as you would if u hadent seen it. so if you download a movie then dont see it in theaters it is wrong, truthfully it is wrong to dowbload it period but its just so tempting and very few can withstand that temtation especcially with a movie like this. My opion is if you at one point download a movie see it in teateres an extra time to make up for it, and i truthfully now do not want to see serenity before it comes into theaters beacse of this thread and reading all the comments it made me relize doing so would be wrong.
I whole-heartedly disagree with your point of view. Lets put away the fact that you are STEALING the film before it's intended release date for a moment and focus on some of the finer points.
you decide, i'll download it, watch it, love it, and go see it in the theater. maybe I'll let my friend watch it once too. Nothing wrong with that right? WRONG. why? the very existance of an illegal copy availible on the internet would allow people (maybe few, maybe many, whatever.. at least 1 fricken person) to download it and lose the desire to see it in the theater. That was 1 ticket sale we lost. Honestly.. we can't afford that. every gorram ticket sale counts. listen to joss at the cons, you know the movie happened because of the dvd sales.. not the dvd downloads.
I want a gorram sequal.
if your little impatient asses can't handle that, and want to ruin my chances of having my gorram sequal, then cào nî zûxiān shí bâ dai
seriously.
I know it is 150% wrong for tehre to even be a copy on the internet, in a perfect world there wouldnt be a copy but we dont live in a perfect world and tehre will be a copy at one point and if soemone decides to watch it i just hope that it doesnt make them want to watch it less in thaters. Truthfully i now want to see this movie in theaters for the first time, but not everyone feels that way, Look at the top of the screen when i write this there are 1300 people that read this article, probably a quarter of them thought that one of you would have posted a limnk onto the site it is quite sad but truthefully i want this movie to do good they may make sequals and when all of the sequals are done i hope that someone will go up to fox and say i really think u shud make firefly into a show, might happen might not but that is my wish, hell id put all my paychecks into a fund to get it back on the air if it would help this is the greatest show i have ever seen and i dont want it to end anytime within my lifetime!
"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"
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