John McCain: If We Don’t Invade Syria, They’ll Hate Us For Not Invading Them (Seriously)
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UPDATED: Monday, November 23, 2015 03:57
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
*IF* it's true. Big "IF".
And yes, it can still be fear mongering even if it's true.
Now that's flat out crazy. IF chem weapons were used, it violates UN rules and the Geneva Protocol, dating back to 1925. ( There is no such ban on use of AR-15's, so that comment was beyond idiotic )
Quote:Did he USE them? Yes or No ?
Kim Jong Un has a nuclear weapon (allegedly), and there's still plenty of fear mongering going on in the West about him. It's true he has nukes (maybe even more than one, possibly), but that still doesn't make him any kind of imminent threat.
I'll save you the time, No, he's not USED them. So, your comparison is invalid.
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A fertilizer plant in West, Texas has killed more people with chemical weapons than the Syrian military has. Where's the outrage there? Where's the massive manhunt for the criminal mastermind who was CEO of the plant?
You're an idiot. By YOUR pea brained thinking, the CEO's of auto companies should all be on death row. Annually, 10's of thousands die by traveling in cars. Where's the outrage ???
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
A nuanced and thorough examination of the situation and the options. Rap and the knee-jerkers won't like it because it's not John Wayne simplistically talking about kicking Assad's ass or bombing them all back to the stone age
Excuse me, but I wasn't the one who drew a SIMPLISTIC red line in the sand. That would be the Presidential bystander himself, BHO. Now that this line of his has been crossed, what's he doing?
Nothing. Way to throw that super power weight around, Barry.
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How many dollars and lives do they want Obama to spend to remove this bozo? Well, of course that's a rhetorical question-- they don't REALLY care what it costs, especially not in lives or the blood of America's not-rich, or if it succeeds or not, they just want to be able to hang the price tag around Obama's neck, and on any other Democrat.
If it's dollars, Barry has no problem spending other people's money. The real issue is the political cost. And McCain simply states that doing nothing may be as costly as joining in on the fray. Depending on who wins. It's a Catch 22, really. Pointing out that fact is by no means " fear mongering ", in the least. It's just being honest and pragmatic.
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Yes, Brenda, unfortunately he is very much for real. Our Favorite War Monger, is John McCain. Imagine if he'd won...we'd still be officially in Iraq, have no plans to leave Afghanistan, probably be in Libya and on our way to Syria...and maybe North Korea, too...
I agree, NewOld, "The fact is, Obama has no good options." Of course the right wants war; it benefits the military-industrial complex, and enhances "America's might". They always want war. And Mike, there are far too many who listen to John Wayne McCain, you know that perfectly well...they're out there hollering right along with him. Like Rap...who isn't worth responding to, since he'll never give up on his defense of Iraq and the mythical WMDs, much less show an ounce of common sense when it comes to war ANYWHERE. We shouldn't even acknowledge him anymore, he's been so far left behind; McCain says what he says as much for political reasons as because it's what he believes; Rap never gets beyond Blind Belief. Right - Good; Left - Bad; it's that simple for him, on EVERYTHING.
Rouka, you nailed it. And you're not having a Cynical Thursday, you're having a Thursday. Aren't all wars pretty much proxy wars--especially nowadays? It's truly a global village, and everyone has bets on one pony or the other.
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U.S. policy on Syria still lacks coherence
By Editorial Board, Published: May 1
THE MUDDLE that is President Obama’s policy on Syria has grown still muddier. On Tuesday the president backed away from a “red line” he had drawn on the use of chemical weapons by the regime of Bashar al-Assad, setting the threshold for proof of a violation in such a way as to virtually exclude the possibility that one could ever be confirmed. Yet that same day his aides leaked to The Post and other news organizations the news that the president might soon reverse his long-standing opposition to providing Syrian rebels with arms. And the administration readied yet another effort to persuade Russia to abandon its support of the Assad regime in favor of a negotiated political transition.
Can any coherence be found in this? A charitable interpretation might be that Mr. Obama wishes to avoid immediate U.S. intervention but wants to pressure Moscow into changing its position by letting it be known that the alternative is greater U.S. support for the rebels. If so, Mr. Obama is being too clever. His weak and legalistic words about the need to verify a “chain of custody” on any chemical-weapons use and his declaration that even a hard confirmation would lead only to a “rethink [of] the range of options” simply invite further chemical attacks.
... But if Mr. Obama continues to pursue a policy of awaiting U.N. consensus and deferring to Russia, the result will be more crossings of his red line — and grave damage to U.S. interests.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-policy-on-syria-still-lacks-
coherence/2013/05/01/dbda6cfc-b27b-11e2-bbf2-a6f9e9d79e19_story.html
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're an idiot. By YOUR pea brained thinking, the CEO's of auto companies should all be on death row. Annually, 10's of thousands die by traveling in cars. Where's the outrage ???
Auto makers didn't illegally stockpile thousands of pounds of hazardous material, then lie about it.
Where's that "intellectual honesty" you keep bitching about? Fuckin tool.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, taking out a village or a few blocks, is crossing the 'red line'. But just a couple of 'small area' bursts, like breaking up an angry crowd... that's kosher ?
Got it.
What would you say if Assad's military were using AR-15s with high-capacity magazines to kill people?
Chemical weapons don't kill people, after all - people kill people. And the problem isn't chemical weapons at all.
Right?
Isn't that your - and the NRA's - stance?
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
What a shock* that rap-the-coward would reply to everything BUT this....
*In this instance, shock = completely fucking expected.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
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LOL!
Hi-larious. He just made another pass through, replying to several threads, but skipping this one.
Priceless!
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
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Storybook - seriously dude, you're @ almost kwickie's level of stalking and obsessing over me.
newsflash - I don't review and scan each and every gorram thread to 'follow up' on every post made after mine. It's just not that big a deal. If I happen to see something worth replying to, I will.
My point still stands, so there's no reason to reply " yes it is! yes it is! yes it is ! " , over and over and over.
Take deep breaths, hold and then release. You'll feel better.
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Yeah, Brenda; breathed a HEAVY sigh of relief on that one. Not as heavy as when we beat Romney, but that would have been just as disasterous in its own way...
Mark, Rap gets what he wants: Replies. He doesn't give a shit what he posts, as long as it's opposed to whatever anyone on the right posts.
Imagine how quiet this place would probably be without him to keep goading people into responding. Or, on the other hand, maybe a lot of those voices who are now silent (but some of whom spoke up recently to say they didn't post because they were disgusted with this place) would be here and we could have actual, intelligent conversations...
Hey, I can dream...
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Niki - put down the pipe and take a hard, sober look at this board.
I'm not the one stalking after Kwickie or Storybook to reply to each and every damn post they make, and to answer to things which they never said. That's more y'alls department of expertise.
Now, go run the puppies or something.
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