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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
This is an interesting turn;
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/04/
dzhokhar_tsarnaev_and_miranda_rights_the_public_safety_exception_and_terrorism.html?wpisrc=most_viral
So, we'll Mirandize foreign insurgents, on foreign battle fields, but not US citizens caught in the U.S. ?
And folks said that Bush was the dictator, huh?
Huh.
And Niki - who here is being xenophobic ?
( ETA - well, finally caught Wulf's comment... not sure that's exactly xenophobic, but it's something alright )
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Psst Niki. It's usual spelled 'Aussie'. Ozzie makes me thing of the Osbornes.
We call the English 'Poms'
Americans 'Yanks'
New Zealanders 'Kiwis'
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
We call the English 'Poms'
Americans 'Yanks'
New Zealanders 'Kiwis'
I get the last two, but " Poms " ?
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Yeah, OldEngland, it's something to think about, this Miranda or not-Miranda question. These things always challenge our beliefs and thinking, don't they?
Magons, I know...got in the habit with a couple of online friends, "Ozzie" was an affectionate variation started by someone else and I just never stopped using it. Need to correct that. I've never forgotten Gino--who hated us Americans anyway--and how offended he said Canadians were by "Canuck"...
My xenophobic crack was aimed at little Wulf, because hate always comes from fear.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
We call the English 'Poms'
Americans 'Yanks'
New Zealanders 'Kiwis'
I get the last two, but " Poms " ?
from wiki
The term pommy, pom or pommie,[9] in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, usually denotes a person of British heritage or origin. Less commonly, it can refer to anyone from Britain or the United Kingdom. A non-derogatory term, it was ruled no longer offensive in 2006 by the Australian Advertising Standards Board and in 2010 by the New Zealand Broadcasting Standards Authority.[10] British people or those of British origin consider the expression neither offensive nor racist when used by people not of British origin to describe English or British people and acceptable when used within that community. But the community group British People Against Racial Discrimination was among those who complained to the Advertising Standards Board about five advertisements poking fun at "Poms", prompting the 2006 decision.[11]
There are several folk etymologies for "Pom," some of which are false etymologies. For example, there are rumors that the word's etymology is related to prisoners, such as "Prisoner of Millbank," but this claim is suspect.[12] A more likely theory is that pommy originated as a contraction of "pomegranate".[13][14] According to this explanation, "pomegranate" is extinct Australian rhyming slang for immigrant. A popular alternative explanation for the theory that pommy is a contraction of "pomegranate", relates to the purported frequency of sunburn among British people in Australia, turning their fair skin the colour of pomegranates.[15] However, there is no hard evidence for the theory regarding sunburn. What many British emigrants find a source of irritation is when Australians refer to all Britons as 'English.' The United Kingdom comprises Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland; therefore Poms can be from anywhere in the UK, and not just England.
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I love concept of having "ruled" it no longer offensive, that cracks me up! And I get a kick out of the skin-tone concept, made me giggle. Think if nobody minds I'll go on using Brits; anyone who minds can say so.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Magons, I know...got in the habit with a couple of online friends, "Ozzie" was an affectionate variation started by someone else and I just never stopped using it. Need to correct that. I've never forgotten Gino--who hated us Americans anyway--and how offended he said Canadians were by "Canuck"...
My xenophobic crack was aimed at little Wulf, because hate always comes from fear.
Oh yeah. I saw wulf's nasty response. How dare you be interested in opinions from people outside the US. That's just.....unamerican ;)
Not bothered by Aussie, or Ozzie. Not particularly fond of either term, not because of how Americans use it, but because its use within our country, particularly around sporting events.
'Aussie Aussie Aussie
Oy Oy Oy'
A sporting chant, used most often by drunken young hooligans experiencing patriotic ardour over other people's sporting achievements, often while they are not in the country.
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'Aussie Aussie Aussie
Oy Oy Oy'
A sporting chant, used most often by drunken young hooligans experiencing patriotic ardour over other people's sporting achievements, often while they are not in the country.
Brings back memories of the Y2K Olympics, and my downstairs neighbors when I was living in Cambridge (yes, blocks from the marathon bomber's apartment) who, after some lively swimming event, would go running circles in the street with the Aussie flag as a cape and buddies in the apt below yelling:
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
OY OY OY
I admit, I was entertained.
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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
This is an interesting turn;
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/04/
dzhokhar_tsarnaev_and_miranda_rights_the_public_safety_exception_and_terrorism.html?wpisrc=most_viral
So, we'll Mirandize foreign insurgents, on foreign battle fields, but not US citizens caught in the U.S. ?
And folks said that Bush was the dictator, huh?
Huh.
And Niki - who here is being xenophobic ?
Were these guys American citizens?
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Were these guys American citizens?
The statement is obscure in its meaning.
Who, the brothers ? Or the foreign terrorists who the Obama administration feels fine in Mirandizing ?
When 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was captured on March 1, 2003, he was not cooperative. "I'll talk to you guys after I get to New York and see my lawyer," he said, according to former CIA Director George Tenet.
Of course, KSM did not get a lawyer until months later, after his interrogation was completed, and Tenet says that the information the CIA obtained from him disrupted plots and saved lives. "I believe none of these successes would have happened if we had had to treat KSM like a white-collar criminal - read him his Miranda rights and get him a lawyer who surely would have insisted that his client simply shut up," Tenet wrote in his memoirs.
If Tenet is right, it's a good thing KSM was captured before Barack Obama became president. For, the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. "The administration has decided to change the focus to law enforcement. Here's the problem. You have foreign fighters who are targeting US troops today - foreign fighters who go to another country to kill Americans. We capture them…and they're reading them their rights - Mirandizing these foreign fighters," says Representative Mike Rogers, who recently met with military, intelligence and law enforcement officials on a fact-finding trip to Afghanistan.
Rogers, a former FBI special agent and U.S. Army officer, says the Obama administration has not briefed Congress on the new policy. "I was a little surprised to find it taking place when I showed up because we hadn't been briefed on it, I didn't know about it. We're still trying to get to the bottom of it, but it is clearly a part of this new global justice initiative."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/miranda_rights_for
_terrorists.asp
House Intelligence Chair Mike Rogers strongly criticized the Obama administration for reportedly bringing suspected terrorist, Osama bin Laden’s son-in-law Suleiman Abu Ghaith, to the United States.
Rogers, a Republican, declined to confirm that Abu Ghaith had been rendered to the U.S. But NBC News confirmed with Jordanian sources that Turkey sent Abu Ghaith to Kuwait via Jordan, where he was intercepted and brought to New York City. He will appear in court Friday.
“I am very concerned, just as I was in the past, about taking an al-Qaida member off the battlefield in foreign soil and Mirandizing them and bringing them back to the United States,” Rogers said on Andrea Mitchell Reports Thursday. “I am very concerned about that precedent and what that means moving forward on the war on terror.”
Rogers, a former FBI agent, said that Mirandizing a top al-Qaida suspect and bringing him to the U.S. for trial creates a host of problems . Rogers argued that the prison at Guantanamo Bay was better-equipped to handle high value prisoners. The Obama administration has been making efforts to close Guantanamo and has pledged not bring any new prisoners there.
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/03/07/obama-administration-criticized-for-bri
nging-osama-bin-ladens-son-in-law-to-us/
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