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Mal4, actually the silent sorrow and empathy gratifies me more than a bloodthirsty rush to blame, which hopefully adds some sanity to the situation as most media outlets don't seem to care beyond trying to whip up a frenzy for ratings or other reasons, but mostly ratings, I think.

As for the other, I am saying the possibility of our own so-called protectors having enabled this by negligence or malice is a possibility we cannot, should not, discount out of hand, especially given that it's proven fact they've done so before... back in 1993 it was the FBI themselves that gave Ramzi Youssef a working bomb via Emad Salem and then let him set it off, and what with the endless round and round of plots which amount to an FBI plant winding up and equipping a bunch of otherwise incompetent jerks which would present no threat of their own, a bungled sting resulting in a real tragedy becomes ever more likely.

The two primary things which drew my notice after talking with Ian were the fact that some kind of controlled explosion drill was supposed to be taking place right around that time, which would have been a respectable cover for keeping folks from panicking when they closed the noose of the sting, and trotting out Alex Jones so very quickly to discredit exactly that notion - cause I can't see the media giving that dude the time of day without a nudge from somewhere.

Besides which, it ain't like I am accusing Mother Theresa here, we are talkin about a faction with a known, proven, documented history of exactly that sort of behavior, so it's kind of like if you have a guy in the neighbor who's robbed six banks - and a seventh gets robbed, you really do have to consider him a suspect, don't you ?
And as for that whole but-they-don't-do-that-anymore... well, that is what people said about the whole wide scale surveillence and harrassment of political activists, all the while calling me crazy/paranoid about that, and the flood of half-baked entrapment plots shovelled out already which could have gone oh-so-horribly wrong if bungled is certainly enough to make one wonder, especially given the speed at which the media polevaulted Jones up to discredit such a possibility.
(Tell me, what's your reaction to someone melodramatically denying something before anyone even thinks to accuse em, your gut reaction, hmm ?)

Or it could, as I said, be a smart and vicious nutter, in combination with heaping helpings of political opportunism - which is IMHO actually *more* dangerous than a bomber.

How much more so - well there's a whole lot of Iraqis who aren't around to ask any more due to the same kind of political opportunism, and I'd really rather not see some variation of another RedScare/PalmerRaids kind of mess directed at folk just for being conservative, even if a lot of them are intolerant jerkasses, or something like COINTELPRO all over again.
That's besides the fact that concocting a politically convenient narrative to point the finger at whatever faction of the day is on the menu lets the bastard who actually did it off the hook, and THAT is something I find intolerable.

Frankly I am more concerned about the political opportunism factor than the specifics of the who, cause I am seeing elements which have historically lead to purges, oppression and massacres, although I suspect it'd be a little more "civilized" (if one can call it that) than hanging them from the lampposts - and when you get such socially toxic pools of thought/feeling and a match to set them off, bad things tend to happen.

Ergo the silent sorrow and support rather than the ragefest is something I treasure, cause the latter leads us down roads we ought not to travel.

Which also means I got little mercy for them I think are maybe trying to push us down those roads, yanno?

-Frem

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Sorry, Frem, I'm too tired for a real response. Let's just say this: your further explanation is less "out there", and while I allow that the possibility is certainly... possible, I still have serious reservations. I would need a longer post to explain what I mean.

Mostly I want to share that the Yankees played "Sweet Caroline" at their game tonight. If you've ever been to a Red Sox game you know the... dare I say... power of this song. It's just joyful and raucous and a huge part of the Boston sports culture. (Sweet Caroline BA BUH BUUUUUUUH.... Good times never seemed so good. SO GOOD! SO GOOD! SO GOOD!) I love that the Yankees are doing this, though if I was at the game the song wouldn't have the usual loud, sloopy glee that it does at Fenway. It's an ironic juxtaposition, if I may use big words.

Interesting times indeed. *sigh*

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Amen. As if we had any doubt: there is truly no RW event that Rappy will not turn into his personal attention getting device. That doesn't belong here.

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No offense, but that's fucking bullshit and you know it. On the matter of the facts of the case, and aftermath, I brought a point of fact, and Kwickie decided he wanted to push buttons and try to make it about HIM, by saying things which were false.

I said the President didn't call this an act of terrorism, and Kwickie immediately came back to say he had, with his ' act of terror ' reply. Only the President hadn't said any such thing in his address to the nation, which is how I framed the issue.

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You're lying. You've just claimed explicitly that I said something I in fact never said, and you know I never said it.

Show me EXACTLY what I said that was false, using my exact words, or admit you're lying and apologize.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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I echo Mark: Don't turn this into a Rap-and-Whoever back and forth.

I heard a doctor, holding back tears last night, describing how people who had lost limbs were saying they felt "lucky" to be alive, and how amazing he found that. My heart goes out to all of them, those who love them and those who are caring for them. For the latter, this must be immensely traumatic, too.

That thing from New York, I saw it earlier, but not in lights. I think it's lovely.

For me the fact that nobody's taking credit leans me toward some small group or individuals; "domestic terrorism", if you will.

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Amen. As if we had any doubt: there is truly no RW event that Rappy will not turn into his personal attention getting device. That doesn't belong here.

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No offense, but that's fucking bullshit and you know it. On the matter of the facts of the case, and aftermath, I brought a point of fact, and Kwickie decided he wanted to push buttons and try to make it about HIM, by saying things which were false.

I said the President didn't call this an act of terrorism, and Kwickie immediately came back to say he had, with his ' act of terror ' reply. Only the President hadn't said any such thing in his address to the nation, which is how I framed the issue.

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You're lying. You've just claimed explicitly that I said something I in fact never said, and you know I never said it.

Show me EXACTLY what I said that was false, using my exact words, or admit you're lying and apologize.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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You know its never going to happen - you are just playing into his game.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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I said the President didn't call this an act of terrorism, and Kwickie immediately came back to say he had, with his ' act of terror ' reply.

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Son, you really should learn how to read with better comprehension. I went back and re-read the posts, and Kwicko said no such thing.

FREM
It seems the online media have lately started addressing ALL the conspiracy theories on MANY events, not just this one. AFA political opportunism and whether this was a LIHOP, a MIHOP, or neither- I think we will be able to judge by the government response: Do they treat this as a criminal investigation, ramp up surveillance on everyone, invade some hapless nation (I know! It was Iran that did it!), or some combination? So far, I haven't detected the drumbeat to war, or to anything.

NIKI- thanks for your post.

In the meantime- Those that can- How about donating blood? The need will be there in three weeks as the injured hit the third hump.

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Watching the local news last night, I was impressed by the attitudes of folks interviewed at the D.C. Emancipation Day parade Tuesday. Pretty much boiled down to "We're not going to let fear prevent us from doing what we wanted to do".


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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I quoted Kwickie correctly. You folks are frelling nuts.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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