Game of Thrones - Season 2
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Said Kwicko: It's going to get kinda weird when Danaerys Targarian finds out that Jon Snow is her nephew. Rhaegar, Dany's oldest brother, fathered Jon Snow with Ned Stark's sister Lyanna.
OK, that's a very interesting idea. I don't know though, I'm pretty sure Ned is Jon's father. There's a whole thing about how he loved another woman before marrying Catelyn. But that could be a misdirection. Hmm. Even if it's not Rhaegar and Lyanna, I wonder if it could be Ned and some Targarian...
There have been some statements in the books as to the possible mother, I vaguely recall two of them, like characters who thought they knew but it was different women. Or they told stories which made me think - aha! Jon's mother! But I don't remember who exactly. I tend to read fast and not note these things. Next time I read through, I have to pay more attention!
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By the way, do any of them realize what Melisandre is and who she's working for with her "Lord of Light"?
You know? I don't!
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What I think is that this religion was formed after the last attack of the white walkers and whatever evil is behind them. The white walkers bring endless winter and night. The traditions of the "Lord of Light" religion will help fight in the next attack: always keep a fire lit, for example, to burn the animated dead people. The red priests pray to their Lord of Light to bring day again - by fighting the white walkers.
So, yeah, I'm interested in who or what the Lord of Light is.
Not spoiling, but other religions are revealed in book 5 to have something behind them. I'm sure this one does to!
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The question is, is there anyone alive who knows his real parentage?
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Jaime knows. He knows all about R+L.
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Said Kwicko: It's going to get kinda weird when Danaerys Targarian finds out that Jon Snow is her nephew. Rhaegar, Dany's oldest brother, fathered Jon Snow with Ned Stark's sister Lyanna.
OK, that's a very interesting idea. I don't know though, I'm pretty sure Ned is Jon's father. There's a whole thing about how he loved another woman before marrying Catelyn. But that could be a misdirection. Hmm. Even if it's not Rhaegar and Lyanna, I wonder if it could be Ned and some Targarian...
There have been some statements in the books as to the possible mother, I vaguely recall two of them, like characters who thought they knew but it was different women. Or they told stories which made me think - aha! Jon's mother! But I don't remember who exactly. I tend to read fast and not note these things. Next time I read through, I have to pay more attention!
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There's lots of mention about how much Arya bears a resemblance to Jon, and also Arya is often compared favorably with Lyanna.
Also, at one point Ned names off all his children in his mind, and conveniently leaves out Jon. He also takes great care never to refer to Jon as "my son", so far as I can find, but *does* make sure to call him "my blood" - which, if he were Ned's nephew by Lyanna, he would still be Ned's blood. Stark blood. Just not Ned's son.
Also, Ned's said to be carrying fourteen years of lies and secrets. "Promise me," Lyanna begged him in a room that smelled of blood and roses, on a bed of her blood. It's said she died from a fever, but bleeding isn't associated with fever, it's associated strongly in the books with birthing. Jon is fourteen years old. Fourteen years of secrets and lies.
Of course Ned could never tell... anyone. What would Robert Baratheon do with a Targaryen in his midst, a *male* Targaryen at that? He sent assassins across the Narrow Sea to find and kill a girl, for gawd's sake! And could Ned live with losing his last ties with Lyanna, who never felt any real love for Robert?
"Promise me, Ned..." And he did. It's implied that the promise is to take her back to Winterfell to be buried in the family crypt. But Ned fulfilled that promise fourteen years ago. So why would that haunt him? It's not one of the secrets and lies he's kept for fourteen years, because he lived up to that promise, and it's no secret to anyone.
"Promise me... [you'll take care of my son and keep him safe from harm]..." That fits. Makes more sense.
Robert asks Ned, "That bastard's mother, you never told me about her," or words to that effect. "Nor will I," Ned answers. Of course he can't, can he? If Rhaegar Targaryen is Jon's father, Ned can sure as hell never tell Robert or anyone else that Lyanna is the mother.
Before his death, when he's in the dungeons, Ned thinks a lot about wanting to see Jon. In his dreams, Bran sees Ned in the crypts, and Ned has something important to tell Jon.
It adds up, but again, it could all be misdirection. Martin seems to revel in that sort of gamesmanship!
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By the way, do any of them realize what Melisandre is and who she's working for with her "Lord of Light"?
You know? I don't!
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What I think is that this religion was formed after the last attack of the white walkers and whatever evil is behind them. The white walkers bring endless winter and night. The traditions of the "Lord of Light" religion will help fight in the next attack: always keep a fire lit, for example, to burn the animated dead people. The red priests pray to their Lord of Light to bring day again - by fighting the white walkers.
So, yeah, I'm interested in who or what the Lord of Light is.
Not spoiling, but other religions are revealed in book 5 to have something behind them. I'm sure this one does to!
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I made the connection almost immediately, but of course I don't know if I'm right or not. Melisandre tells Stannis that he'll betray everyone he knows and loves, and he fathers some kind
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Regarding Jon's parentage: I like it. I could totally see that being the case. Strange that the "silver hair/purple eyes" of the Tagaryen's passed him by, but that stuff does happen. But it would great if it turned out that way!
Yeah, Jon does get burnt. But I'm thinking that the way book 5 left things, book 6 way just fill us in with a thing or two about him. Damn! I can't expand on that!
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Kwicko: I don't know if their gods are the same as Earth gods, but I get a strong vibe that Melisandre is working the dark side of the force, at least.
M4P: Definitely not the same as Earth gods. Or maybe the Earth gods are the few that lasted after this world moved on. They have a LOT of gods here, and will be clear when a few plotlines leave Westeros.
Melisandre sure seems foul, but I don't think there is a "Satan". I think there's more going on there, that I can't share.
So, are you against reading ahead with the books? Not trying to convince you either way, except to say they ROCK (some find them slow, but I loved all the detail) and it's really sucks not to be able to talk about all of it! None of my friends that I know of have read all 5, so I have to keep all this to myself. Eek! My head may explode!
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So, are you against reading ahead with the books? Not trying to convince you either way, except to say they ROCK (some find them slow, but I loved all the detail) and it's really sucks not to be able to talk about all of it! None of my friends that I know of have read all 5, so I have to keep all this to myself. Eek! My head may explode!
Oh, I'm not at all against reading ahead. Right now I'm just trying to catch up to the show. It's not an exaggeration - okay, not much of an exaggeration - to say that each book is a doorstop in its own right. Looks like the first one, at 760 pages, was the shortest of the bunch! Book 3 is over 1200 pages, and I've got to get through Book 2 (A Clash of Kings) first. Sadly, I don't get as much time for reading as I'd like. And don't get me wrong, at all - the books are long, but they never FEEL long or wieldy. I'm completely sucked into this Westeros, this wondrous world that Martin has wrought for us.
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And although Jon does indeed burn, that's not really any kind of continuity error as far as I can see. After all, Vasaerys burned too, when he got his crown of gold.
I may turn out to be wrong about all of this, of course, but I'm still enjoying the hell out of the ride. I don't know why I spend so much time wondering about Jon's parentage, but something just jumped out at me about him.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Been watching the Season 2 reruns on HBO2 as they count down to this Sunday's Season 3 premier. Last Saturday was episode #19. The best line was spoken by Dinklage to his lover.... "You can't fuck your way out of everything." Now that's writing!
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They've done a good job of catching Martin's humor in the show - you'd think such a grim swords-n-sorcery epic would be humorless, but there's plenty of laugh lines in the books, too - mostly between Tyrion and Bronn, such as this exchange:
Tyrion: "How goes your recruiting?"
Bronn: "Well enough. Three new men tonight."
T: "How do you know which ones to hire?"
B: "I look them over. I question them, to learn where they've fought and how well they lie. And then I give them a chance to kill me, while I do the same for them."
T: "Have you killed any?"
B: "No one we could have used."
T: "And if one of them kills you?"
B: "He'll be one you'll want to hire."
Pure gold, I tell ya.
I really, sincerely hope that HBO finds a way to divorce itself from cable providers and offer a streaming-only option to those who want access to the shows, but don't want to pay hundreds of dollars per month for cable to have that access.
Netflix is becoming the future of television, so I expect a deal to be reached at some point, at which time I'll be more than happy to ditch cable.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Having not read the books, I'm both addicted and a tad lost w/ this series.
All the houses and different characters...reminds me a bit of DUNE. ( Another series of books I never read )
Anyways... gotta do me some catch up now. A few eps behind already.
Soooo...
Heading into tonight Season 3 premiere, did you get all caught up?
If you haven't read the books, I'd very highly recommend them. Dune, not so much. I got through the first one, but it was a chore and a half, and it took me no fewer than three tries before I could ever finish it - I kept giving up around 300 pages in. It takes about 310 pages before things start really cooking. Go figure...
Anyway, GoT is amazing pretty much from the get-go, and goes a long way towards straightening out which houses are which, and who they're aligned with or bear loyalty or fealty to, which really helps with lots of the palace intrigues.
Read the books if you get a chance, but the show is amazing even if you haven't.
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On account of the late hour (for us early risers), my buddy with HBO is TiVo-ing and our viewing party will be Wednesday night. So I'll be avoiding this thread for a few days.
Maybe I'll watch an old episode. I've had that music in my head for days! This is the only show ever that makes me watch the opening credits every time. Even on DVD, I never skip past.
Enjoy!
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No spoilers from me, I promise.
Let's just suffice it to say that the season gets off to a rollicking start.
And some new locales appear in the opening credits, along with some changes to at least one old favorite.
This is going to be an interesting season, and one that I suspect will break my heart more than once. Maybe more than twice.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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