Iraq: Ten years later
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Saturday, March 23, 2013 00:10
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Man, when we fix a country, we FIX a country...you betcha!Quote:
Violence in Iraq spikes.
“The levels of violence there are still extremely high – and lethal,” says Nora Bensahel, senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS), who notes that more people are dying in Iraq today than in Afghanistan, where America’s war is ongoing. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/1221/Violence-in-Iraq-spike
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Teens see no hope for future in Iraq
The lingering effects of war on Iraqis
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2013/03/12/iraq-ptsd.cn
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Iraq's dumpster children
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/international/2013/02/22/marketplace-
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Western oil firms remain as US exits Iraq
Iraq’s oil reserves of 112 billion barrels ranks second in the world, only behind Saudi Arabia. The EIA also estimates that up to 90 per cent of the country remains unexplored, due to decades of US-led wars and economic sanctions.
“Prior to the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq, US and other western oil companies were all but completely shut out of Iraq’s oil market,” oil industry analyst Antonia Juhasz told Al Jazeera. “But thanks to the invasion and occupation, the companies are now back inside Iraq and producing oil there for the first time since being forced out of the country in 1973.”
“The last thing the US cares about in the Middle East is democracy. It is about oil, full stop.” http://dprogram.net/2013/03/17/iraqs-dumpster-children/#more-126723
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We fixed them right and proper. That'll teach them to stop denoting oil in USDs.
So, what else has happened ...
Well, there was the Arab Spring
In Libya Gaddafi (who also stopped denoting oil in USDs) was ousted with US help and it now has Jibril as elected leader who wants to privatize the oil (of course). His policies are described in WIKI: 'He described his party as a partisan of democracy, promoting Sharia'. Hmmm what do we support - oil or Sharia, oil or Sharia ...
Egypt's Mubarek left under the encouragement of the US, it's now ruled by an extremely conservative Muslim party that has already voted in Sharia law.
Tiny Tunisia is supposed to be a success story. But the people I know who have relatives in Tunisia tell me that it's a free-for-all of corruption. At least it's a free market!
Anyway, I could go on but time is awasting.
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You mean bombing the shit out of a place, killing hundreds of thousands of people, creating power vacuums, and subverting economic resources for our own means doesn't automatically impose order on other countries?
Gotta be proud, Iraq was horrible when Saddam Hussein ran it, nothing like discovering that good intentions mixed with greed, fanaticism, and imperialism can lead an entire region to whole new lows. Well done everyone! Cakes all around.
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We all agree this was unconscionable. But Americans STILL support the administration that carried this out.
Where are the protests to end the wars? Where are furious demands for a government that will stop these types of atrocities?
Crickets.
Thought so.
Nobel Peace Prize my ass.
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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.
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So you think a lot of people here voted for Dubya, approved of what he did, stayed silent if they didn't, and otherwise acted like accomplises?
What website have YOU been visiting?
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Originally posted by Niki2:
“The last thing the US cares about in the Middle East is democracy. It is about oil, full stop.” http://dprogram.net/2013/03/17/iraqs-dumpster-children/#more-126723
Amen. I wish I had a copy of the speech where W explained that invading Iraq was vital to America's security. Even at the time I noticed how careful the wording was. It hoped to let us believe he meant terrorism, but he never said it outright. I believed at the time, and still do, that he was thinking about America's financial security. W wanted us to control that oil. I think he honestly meant to be the daddy figure, doing what was right for the stupid proles, even if they would never understand. He was all into heading off some future oil wars, and believed it'd all be peace and harmony once we had the rigs.
Of course, he was talked into this fantasy by those who'd make all the money controlling the oil, as well as the war. By the VP who used to work for the company that - shocker! - got lots of no-bid, way overcharged war contracts. Boy, have those companies filled their pockets!
It truly is madness. Even ten years later, I can't quite believe they pulled this off. And they got away with it.
I am very bitter that Obama didn't go after them. Though, I can see that it might not have even been possible. Big money controls too much of our govt. Here's to hoping for some changes in that department! (I'm looking at you, Elizabeth Warren...)
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Hell, we started this whole mess when we capped Mossedeigh in 1953.
Everything else has been much like the old lady who swallowed a fly, put up and supported The Shah, and when he got thrown down propped up Saddam to oppose him, supported the Mujas against the Soviets, damn near every problem over there rests in part on our friggin meddling - and the blowback from Libya is gonna suck in another generation or so with consequences...
First thing, we need to learn to leave well the hell enough alone.
Second thing, we need to take our so-called-protectors who's blowback we been chokin on for decades out back and shoot them in the head, every single one, burn their buildings and salt the earth they stood on.
You wanna fight international terrorism and it's creators, start in Langley and Quantico, not the middle east.
-F
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I am very bitter that Obama didn't go after them.
That for the same reason Ford didn't go after Nixon, or why sniping officers was a faux paus in warfare for so long, they see themselves as better-than and have this unspoken agreement that only the peons face the consequences...
*MY* ancestors were Wataugans, *WE* shot the officers FIRST.
Other than what happened at Kings Mountain, cause Ferguson was an idiot who didn't listen to the locals warning him, nobody wanted to pick a fight with us, not the colonials, not the redcoats, not the natives.
Imagine just how many problems one could solve by striking the root instead of hacking the branches.
-F
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Quote:This. Here. Is. The. Problem.
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I am very bitter that Obama didn't go after them. Though, I can see that it might not have even been possible.
All the people who ranted and railed against W swallowed their rage when Obama took power. Sometimes, they might even express unhappiness with our Nobel Peace Prize laureate. But it is ALWAYS followed by some excuse for him.
There is no excuse for humanitarian atrocities. Not for Dubya. And not for Obama.
Where's our zero tolerance for fucking people up wholesale?
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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:This. Here. Is. The. Problem.
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I am very bitter that Obama didn't go after them. Though, I can see that it might not have even been possible.
All the people who ranted and railed against W swallowed their rage when Obama took power. Sometimes, they might even express unhappiness with our Nobel Peace Prize laureate. But it is ALWAYS followed by some excuse for him.
There is no excuse for humanitarian atrocities. Not for Dubya. And not for Obama.
Where's our zero tolerance for fucking people up wholesale?
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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.
OK. So you being all holier-than-thou. You go fix it, right here and now. What will you do? Tell me, what you better-than-everyone-else one single person will do.
Very curious to hear this.
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