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I was accused of trolling because I disagreed with some of the organizers and brought facts and my actual real name and profile to the debate. Apparently to them, that makes one a "troll"; I call it "factivism".
I do not intend to call troll on people merely for disagreeing with me. Even while trolling people can make good arguments, logic, and points, and it doesn't preclude facts. In fact the best troll attempts always have the sour bite of truth in them. Here, 1kiki asserts that she is smarter than me, and based on the available evidence of having taken her bait, I must agree with her.
It's just highly rewarding, whenever I happen to be offended or insulted, to try to turn it around as that I had just been successfully trolled, and to laugh off said insult and offense in view of it being a really good prank - as evidenced by it drawing my ire.
I will happily and willfully engage in self-delusion whenever it means I can force myself to be less grumpy to people. It's something new I'm trying, and seems to be working?
And, frankly, I think it gives people more credit to assume they're screwing with me, and to appreciate the skill in which they did so.
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Oh, I've seen some rather epic trolling. I witnessed first-hand as a few trolls actually shut down a whole event page at facebook, turning a protest's organizing page (where they expected 2000 people to show up and protest) into an invite-only event, where as few as nine people actually showed up at the event. It was a mass trolling, and rather amazing to watch; at a couple points, the organizers actually took the page down completely.
Trolling is both fun and useful, and often the best means of informing people of their own folly and deflating their egos. Where would hacktivism be without trolling? It is a craft, an artform long predating computers and tracing back to the most ancient times. Greek philosophers were amazing trolls, and I'm sure in the neolithic trolling was just as rewarding, if hazardous, as it is today.
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I live like a hermit when flu season comes around, by which I mean I ride public transportation and then lick my hands clean for all that nutritious goodness.
LOL!
Well done.
:)
I can understand doing that, for your niece.
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What no doctor ever said
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It has come to my attention after reading this exchange that my understanding of trolling is apparently very rutimentary. I think of trolling as deliberately annoying others, either by posting spam, nonsense, stupid stuff, obnoxious stuff, annoying stuff, or being as mean as possible just to get a rise out of them.
Either Kiki takes the crown for passive aggressive troller of the month (fair) or I just don't understand this whole shabang. I point out that I have no problem with passive agressive behavior, since I'm supposedly very passive agressive online. Why is life so confusing.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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There are nuances. Ultimately a troll is basically "screwing with someone for your own amusement" and can mean anything from blatantly attempting to annoy them or prank them, or something more subtle.
Being ironic or insincere or speaking blatant mistruths for the comedy of it, or asking seemingly stupid questions to irritate someone or force them to confront their logical inconsistencies, all of these can constitute trolling. Also deliberately baiting people by posting something in a non-obvious way that you know they'll react to is also trolling.
Even something as simple as feigned ignorance or deliberate grammar and spelling errors can be trolling.
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There are nuances. Ultimately a troll is basically "screwing with someone for your own amusement" and can mean anything from blatantly attempting to annoy them or prank them, or something more subtle.
Being ironic or insincere or speaking blatant mistruths for the comedy of it, or asking seemingly stupid questions to irritate someone or force them to confront their logical inconsistencies, all of these can constitute trolling. Also deliberately baiting people by posting something in a non-obvious way that you know they'll react to is also trolling.
Those things can also be used to lead people to a more rational point. So in "trolling" them by repeatedly questioning their every statement, one can hopefully show up a larger point, either to the original "trollee" or to the larger audience in general.
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Even something as simple as feigned ignorance or deliberate grammar and spelling errors can be trolling.
So can pointing out such errors, which can also be all manner of high-larious in and of itself, especially when the target of said ridicule has no clue that he's been had and it being made a fool of.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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If you want to see some top-notch trolling for real, check out folks like Chest Strongwell, Mrs. Facts, and Surly Thor on facebook. They often bring real artistry to their trolling. Tom Joad brings it to a whole new level, injecting hard facts and harder truths into his trolling.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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I think people who think they're clever because they troll, or who think they're tricking others when its obvious that its a two way street, are foolish. It decreases their credibility really. I like things that make blatent and unapologetic sense. I'm all for a little sideways poking, but it gets old fast when over used, especially when people crow about how good they are at it while the person they are trolling ... wait what was I saying? Like I said I'm getting confused here. I like talking to people who just talk to each other, like ... people. That being said I don't think I'd be all too impressed with your superior trollers Quicko. I can however get on board with doing a lil' sideways work to rile someone who you don't get on with well. But excessive amounts of it make it lose its potency and intrigue and then its just borrrrrrrrring, because everyone has seen that trick before.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Well, you're honest, and not inclined to villainy. But for people like us who revel in trolling, all the posturing and over-the-top antics are pure jubilation. Reading about how other people have been trolled is an absolute delight. Especially when it's deserved - troll justice is the best justice!
To put you at ease, I'm an equal opportunity troll, I'll troll everyone if I can, even if I like them. And yeah, it makes me obnoxious as hell, but that's also part of the fun - it's not really about the trick or being more clever than other people, because really, most trolls are pretty simple, and not very smart. It's more about not caring what other people think of you, but also friendship, in an entirely unsentimental and vitriolic way. It's life in a devil-may-care way, and very satisfying.
Well, and a vaguely twisted mindset and very unhealthy attachment patterns, but no one cares about that.
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If any of you sissyMary's wanna see something bad, install a new sump-pump in your basement crawl space and spend over 30 minutes over 1 hour immersed in 1 foot, freezing cold water wearing nothing but your boxer shorts.
Oh yeah... do it while suffering from the 101 degree fever that kept you laid up for the two days you had the pump in your position before the old pump went out.
Let's not forget that this is the same crawl-space, in the same basement, in the same house I bought for 70k under cost because of massive mold damage to the basement from previous floods.
Now that I feel better, I revel in it.....
Whatever bugs got me in those 2 weeks are GONE for GOOD now.
Don't listen to me though, moms on the board.....
Keep your kids out of the dirt and constantly lather them up with Purel wipes, moms....
Don't be surprised when your "kid" dies at 28 because he/she didn't know how to defend themselves against whatever particular "cold" they should have recieved about 12 times when they were younger and would have been harmless to them, but just happens to be lethal to somebody who's bones aren't still growing today.......
Put the Purell away....
You'll thank me later.
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