Unconstitutional President
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Sunday, May 3, 2026 16:19
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I'd like to say "welcome, Tam", but you make it a bit difficult. If you read your post and tried to be objective, hopefully you'd see that it's totally one sided, chiding AND derrogating the Democrats, which must include those of us here, and saying Browncoats must be Republicans. I'm not going to make such judgments about Browcoats, as we are a very diverse group. But it certainly doesn't start you off on the right foot.
As to RWED, if you'd been here any length of time, you'd have had a chance to see the truly vile things with which right wingers here have attacked left wingers. It's a two-way street, sometimes weighted more to the right, sometimes more to the left. Some of our most vicious right winters aren't here right now; I've been told this happens frequently after an election. They'll be back, no doubt, and if you're still around, you'll see it's certainly not one-sided.
Yes, it's pretty obvious you're young by what you wrote. I'm not about to engage with you, given your obvious bias, and I'm sorry Frem let you get under his skin so badly.
...wait a minute. I just re-read your post: "your god and savior"? That is STRAIGHT out of Raptor's playbook, as is your spelling of "noone", which makes me very suspicious. That thing about "leaving people alone" is a totally falacious interpretation of Mal's attitude; Mal CERTAINLY wouldn't be trying to legislate a woman's choice about her body, now would he? Nor do I believe for a second that he'd be out there starting wars (and by the way, this is no "war", this is a free-flowing discussion forum, if you hadn't noticed). I don't think I'm willing to accept you as a separate individual at this time, given that I strongly suspect you are a Raptor sockpuppet.
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Okay, having checked, I see you've been here a while and have posted extensively elsewhere. So I will refrain from dismissing you as a sockpuppet and address you as if you are an actual individual. I don't generally hold grudges and make a sincere attempt to respond to people according to their posts; my opinion hasn't been "soured" on anyone except those who consistently post in the same negative or attacking manner.
Your bias is what gets you the responses you do, simple as that. If you arrive here denegrating EITHER side, people will speak up in anger and dismiss what you say as the bias it represents. "Some of my closest friends are democrats" won't win you any friends; I can only guess you are so young as to not know how that sounds and how it has been used in the past with regard to Jews, African Americans, and virtually any other segment of society by those who know nothing of what they speak.
You don't want beliefs thrust on you. Then how do you feel about it only being Republicans who keep trying to get religion taught in schools, who in some cases have denied science be taught in schools and instead insist only Creationism be taught? How do you feel about them insisting this is a Christian country and denegrating all other religions extensively? I'm buddhist, can you imagine how that makes me--or ANYONE who is not a Christian--feel?
I'd also like to ask--oh, I see you removed your previous post. We don't encourage that here, it's pretty unfair if you think about it. If you post something here, it's like speaking; you can't take back what you say, and you're responsible for what you say. I for one would appreciate it if you'd refrain from doing so in the future; it also leaves anyone coming along later both confused and unable to know what went on before. It's kind of like cheating, not being willing to stand by your statements.
So I can only try to remember what you said, which bothers me. But from what I recall, you said Obama did what he did in hopes of improving the country and avoiding war (paraphrased, of course). Let me ask you: Are we in any better shape now than we were when Bush left, which reflected the policies he put in place? Are we in MORE wars, or fewer wars, than Bush got us into? I'm confused as to why you said what you did, if you are truly aware of the state of the country, and how you could say Obama doing what he did "didn't work", given on just the war issue, we're out of Iraq and getting out of Afghanistan, and have engaged in no further wars. Respectfully, I think your view reflect a lack of information, and perhaps reflects your parents' beliefs, since you mentioned your mother saying Obama committed "murder". My parents were staunch Republicans; it was only when I was old enough to see that what they said didn't match what was real that I started thinking for myself.
It's easier when young to see things in a black-and-white way; with age come nuances which make it much harder to condemn
You wrote "I only said Obama did what he thought america needed to pacify you and prevent war". What do you mean by "you"? Did you write what you did to pacify someone here, or are you saying Obama did what he thought would pacify Democrats? If the latter, I think your knowledge is missing a lot, if the former, then you're not being honest, which is the only way to deal with people here if you want to be respected.
This is a hot forum; we always warn people about that and say if you can't handle it, you shouldn't be here. Tempers flare and just about all of us have given in to frustration and anger at some point, whether Republican, Democrat, or whatever else. You stated "I thought I would have a civil conversation with a democrat" if they were a Browncoat. Browncoats come in all shapes, sizes, races, genders and political beliefs; b
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Ha, that wasn't a screaming match, that was me tearing a strip offa you - helpful hint: It was *intended* to be offensive, to rub your nose in the natural consequences of your own actions, something which I think needs to happen to folk more often no matter who they are - and to see what you're made of.
Don't like it ?
Maybe ya shouldn't oughta supported the positions and persons you did, then.
If mere profanity bothers you such much I can dispense with it, but believe me, that won't make things any more civil, or me any nicer about it - since you've obviously the grit to not flee in terror I shall refrain for the time being, if you wish.
Point of fact: I am not a Democrat - I am an Anarchist.
Say it with me now, AN-ARCH-IST, yes ?
And not the happy fluffy pacifist kind, either.
Which means I don't care any more for the Democrats ramming THEIR notions down my chops any more than I do Republicans, or even certain Greens or Libertarians for that matter - but the latter lack the consistency and focus necessary to make it the scale of the problem that is with the GOP.
In regards to civility, you're not coming off as civil, you're coming off as patronizing and offensive, which will provoke response in kind, believe it.
I am all for the merits of leaving well the hell enough alone, and following the least harm principle, but I am no pacifist in word or deed, and frankly if you really, truly wish for mutual respect you might consider not aligning yourself with persons and parties which do not practice it, since if that is how you feel the GOP has certainly betrayed and not respected those principles whatever, if they ever even did.
That aside, I am a lot more reasonable than you might assume, and now that we've dispensed with the preliminaries you might clarify your position if you wanna argue it.
-Frem
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Because what the left believes in is nothing but Alliance grade go-se, and counters everything for what this country was founded.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Because what the left believes in is nothing but Alliance grade go-se, and counters everything for what this country was founded.
This from a man who's only understand of the left comes from Fox news.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Because what the left believes in is nothing but Alliance grade go-se, and counters everything for what this country was founded.
This from a man who's only understand of the left comes from Fox news.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Correction: All he knows about ANYTHING come from Fox....
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Because what the left believes in is nothing but Alliance grade go-se, and counters everything for what this country was founded.
This from a man who's only understand of the left comes from Fox news.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Noting the simplistic, naive filter in which you view others.
See, you have it 180 degrees backwards. I don't like FOX because it's occasionally conservative.
FOX exists because there are conservatives like me out in the 'verse who grew tired of the unabashed Left wing partisanship of the MSM.
I was conservative long before FOX.
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Noting the simplistic, naive filter in which you view others.
See, you have it 180 degrees backwards. I don't like FOX because it's occasionally conservative.
FOX exists because there are conservatives like me out in the 'verse who grew tired of the unabashed Left wing partisanship of the MSM.
I was conservative long before FOX.
You being conservative before FOX news does not mean anything in regards with you getting your information from FOX now. If you had any type of brain you could have understood that my argument was not that you were conservative because you watch FOX, but simply that you are under-informed because you do.
FOX exists and is a big as it is not because of some left wing slant but because folks like yourself can't except any fact that does not fit your beliefs. You can't look into the mirror of self reflection.
Nothing shows this more that the GOP asking for a report to show how the Bush Tax cuts affected the economy. When that report indicated that the cuts had no impact at all they muzzled the report.
There are plenty of conservatives that will self evaluate and use fact to form their views. You are not one of them. You are a lot like a book. No matter what people say to you, what you say never changes.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Quote:Really? Then what happened? I mean, how did you get from Conservative to Extreme Right Wing zealot? Do you mean FOX pushed you there? I'm not clear on this...
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I was conservative long before FOX.
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Your remark about what your mother said was in another thread. If I recall correctly, it was about Benghazi, and you said something to the effect that you thought what Obama did was treasonous, your mother said it was murder. I just glanced through some of your posts on non-Firefly issues and saw that. I tend to look up people who show up here out of the blue who might be sockpuppets (there's a bit of that which goes on here), and I saw you both had been here a while and posted a lot outside RWED. Given I rarely venture forth from RWED, I wasn't previously aware of that, and your use of some of Rap's phraseology made me suspicious. Looking you up solved that suspicion.
By the way, you didn't repost your original post, you reiterated one of the things you said about Browncoats being Republicans, but there was a LOT more to it than that, and it was quite anti-Democrat and anti-Obama. If you would put back up what you took down, that would be nice, but of course it's up to you. People who come in later will probably not understand why this discussion is what it is, but so be it.
Yes, RWED IS a very contentious place. Not always, but when it comes to politics, religion, guns, climate change and a few other topics, it can get quite heated. Like I said, we warn new people of the dangers and that if they think they can't hack it, they should protect themselves by not being here. That can only be up to the individual to decide; some of us relish going toe to toe; some of us (me) enjoy debating and keep trying to do so here (frequently unsuccessfully); some of us come here to "let it all hang out" as we can't IRL; some of us come here for social interaction (me again); everyone has their reasons and I'll leave others to explain theirs if they want to.
For the most part we welcome ALL new voices, the more the merrier, but if they come in castigating people or being obviously politically prejudice, it usually gets a negative reaction. If you have a thin skin, it can be dangerous here. It's all up to the individual. I don't have much interest in discussing Firefly or writing Fanfic--for me Firefly exists as it is and this is actually one of only two fan websites I've ever been on (the other having been a now-defunct Firefly site as well), it's something I'm not normally interested in. But RWED caught my interest and I've been here ever since, I like most of the people, they're intelligent, and I appreciate it. I wish it WERE less contentious and the opportunity for fair debate were more, but again, it is what it is. Nobody can change it; for a long while (as you can see by my signature) I've tried off and on to plead for more civility, but I always get called controlling or hypocritical or something. Nobody here can hurt me, as only words can be thrown around, but if words can hurt you, this isn't the place to be. It's all up to you; I'd be sad to see you disappear, but only you know what's right for you.
Personally, I get the feeling you are quite young and we might be able to help you see more of the nuances of life; I've had numerous on-line young friends of long standing who came into a forum of mostly older people, and they've benefitted from it and we've benefitted from their points of view. But protecting yourself must come first on the internet, at all times.
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