Why Americans are dying earlier than their international peers

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RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:16 AM

Hi Frem, I've done some research on that concept and I would agree that a decent chunk of them are opting out of a society they feel is unfair and undesirable. Some of them surely have social anxiety challenges, like in any group of humans, but I'd reckon a lot of them are choosing to stay out of society.

I thought you'd be pissier about Niki's things being closed on Sun article. You've always been rather vehiment about your dislike of the practice.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:30 AM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I thought you'd be pissier about Niki's things being closed on Sun article. You've always been rather vehiment about your dislike of the practice.

I dislike it as a legally enforced RELIGIOUS practice, specifically favoring a particular religion, rather than as a concept, because...

A- That's ramming someone elses religion down my chops on the barrels of The States guns.
B- It is not voluntary.

As a mutually agreed, voluntary exchange I got little problem with it, the problem I mostly have is that in many cases it is neither.

-Frem

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 15, 2013 8:36 PM

I think of what I was when I was in my single digits and "tween" years....

I've been "dead" for 20 years and I'm only 33 now.

I don't even remember what it was like to be alive.....

Awesome song.... tell your kids...

They won't appreciate it until they're 33 either though..... Doh!

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:41 PM

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I firmly stand in the school of not working too hard. Can't stand that over obsessive work ethic that seems prevalent these days.

Interesting. My view of it is, what else would I do with my time? And if it kills me or I get fired, who cares?

I don't take paid vacation or sick leave. There is no reason to - and I say this as the loveable hobbling ball of rage and crippling pain you all have the privilege to know. I haven't been able to straighten out my back or sit comfortably in a chair for two months. Yet here I am. Firmly not giving any cares.

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:19 PM

MMmmmmmmmmmmm..................bologna and cheese on toast.

Wait, I gotta clean my lip.

SGG

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Well, one cannot discount the crap which corporate america allows to be produced as "food" too - a considerable amount of stuff, like HFCS, or some of our neurotoxic sweeteners, would be rejected overseas.

I about hit the freakin ROOF when they started adding HFCS to friggin bread, you know there's brands which now ADVERTISE the fact that they DON'T add HFCS to theirs ?
And thanks be for that, or I'd have to make my own!

Cause, well... Bologna and Cheese on lightly toasted bread, that NEVER gets old.
(of course, TRY finding Bologna, OR Cheese these days without HFCS, it's getting hard as hell!)

-Frem

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:28 PM

Frem,

My doctor has told me to try and stay away from processed foods as much as possible..

(of course, TRY finding Bologna, OR Cheese these days without HFCS, it's getting hard as hell!)

Ain't it the truth!

SGG

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:01 PM

Frem, I thought you were a hedonist. Bologna and cheese on bread is too healthy.

You must switch to caffeinated soda and candy. You may continue to eat large greasy hamburgers (while I steal all your candy).

RIONAEIRE

Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:55 AM

I wasn't surprised about the findings in this article, most of us know that lately the life expectancy in America has started going down, even if it doesn't show up on charts funded by certain people.

Byte, I know it sounds kind of silly, but when I was having my hip issues I did physical therapy and it really helped, now I have excercises I do when the problem relapses (doctors don't know why I have this problem). I thought "dude, I haven't been in a accident so why would physical therapy help?" and it was a MAJOR hastle to go and take time out of my life, I counted the weeks until I was done) but it turned out to be good in the long run because I can actually walk around and do stuff. I fear what would have happened to me if I hadn't done it, no more faire, or anything really, for me. I know you hate going to the doctor but it might work out better than you think. Okay you can open your eyes now and resume reading, I'm done. :)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:33 AM

Hahaha, but I *like* bologna and cheeze, with apple juice... okay, and BBQ potato chips.
Hedonism is about pleasure, without regard to morals or safety, and some of my pleasures aren't necessarily immoral, I just don't CARE whether they are or not.

That and I am a total corruptor about it, man, the effort I put into making Gluten-Free, Sugar-Free poundcake that fit those reqs, was healthy, AND tasted good was legion.
BUT IT WORKED!
(recipe available on demand)
SCIENCE!
It's soo worth it to me to hear my ex's husband whinging for me to "stop ENABLING her, dammit!"

I think we're winning some turf a little at a time, SGG.

I was sorely cheezed off about real maple syrup no longer being available due to the plethora of flavored corn syrups, but it seems I was not alone in this demand cause it's back on the shelves again, even in store brands.

While jelly/jam has lagged behind, Cascadian Farms has some available, and at least one of the major brands (smuckers, I think) has begun offering the real deal once again.

Peanut butter, mostly a transfat issue there, cause of the difficulty of getting it spreadable at room temperature, but skippy natural offers one, the touch of honey version is quite nice.

All of which are affordable at rational prices, instead of paying through the nose for some so-called "organic" stuff in a fancy container which is nothing of the sort!

And yes, I like PB&J just the same as bologna and cheese, mostly cause when I was REALLY poor I used to eat a damned lot of them, I'd leave the jar of peanut butter sitting on the stove over the pilot light to keep it melty and get more out of it by spreading it thin, and it would soak into the bread cause of that, tasted damn good it did.

One reason I had so little of it was this prideful lady down the block who'd listened to all that crummy propaganda and would NOT accept assistance, not even allow her kids to enroll in the free lunch program, and I couldn't bear the sight of her half starved kids, so I started sneaking them PB&J sandwiches, even though I didn't really have enough my own self.

Of course, these days if I *REALLY* want it "organic" all I gotta do is head five miles south into the local agricultural area, hell, I can right now get you a live chicken in like ten minutes if you want one - you'll be pluckin that sucker yourself though!

-F

NIKI2

Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:22 PM

Byte, there are a million things to do besides work; it only takes finding them. I can't count the number of things I'm interested in that fill my time--to the point that I have to choose between them, I can't do them all. It only takes looking around at what might interest you and investigating it. Nobody should only have their job as their life.

I'm kinda dumb that way. I JUST signed up for the Cornell bird-count, so I have to spend an hour two days a week counting the birds who come to our bird feeder. I'm also going back to work one day a week at our local animal rescue/rehab facility. I got an aquarium when Choey (long into them) first got here and we bought her one--now I have two of my own. I got a dwarf rabbit years ago, ended up with six, now back down to one (the huskies put an end to that one!). I had a friend who was into reptiles; I ended up with an entire bedroom FULL of them (also back down to one now). I love sci-fi; Frem turned us on to an author and now Jim and I have read EVERY book by that author--Jim's just started his second go-around. The number of things one can get involved in and enjoy, especially in America, is endless.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.