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Hard choices: Mal, Inara, and Zoe

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Wednesday, December 26, 2012 5:29 PM

So some of our fanfic writers have already been dealing with the plot reveals about Zoe and Inara. EBFiddler comes to mind, among others.

Will there come a time eventually that those subplots will become so serious that Mal will have to choose between Inara and Zoe's needs? We've seen Zoe have to chose between Mal and Wash, and maybe that was setting us up to explore this theme.

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:32 AM

I think a story that deals with Mal having to make a choice between the needs of differing crew members is right in keeping with the spirit of Firefly. In War Stories, Zoe had to choose between Wash and Mal, but ultimately, she made the choice that was best for the "family" as a whole -- hard on Mal, perhaps, but he was better equipped than Wash to handle being left behind, and Zoe knew that, and so did Mal. There's a tremendously good essay on Zoe's choice in "Finding Serenity" or "Serenity Found" -- I forget which one. Zoe made her choice, and Mal knew she would make that choice, and accepted it. I think that if Mal were faced with a similar choice to make about Zoe or Inara, Zoe would expect him to make a choice in like fashion. If he were to choose her, for reasons that Zoe thought did not make sense for the good of the whole "family," Zoe would protest his decision.

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:44 AM

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There's a tremendously good essay on Zoe's choice in "Finding Serenity" or "Serenity Found" -- I forget which one.


I need to read those.

In general I agree with you, but one of the things I'm wondering is if Mal has a responsibility to not show favouritism regardless of his wants or needs. Because of his role in what happened to Wash, and because he owes something to Zoe due to his history that he doesn't owe to the crew (and he owes even less to Inara), and because as the leader it falls on him to make those sacrifices.

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:47 AM

I think Zoe made the right choice, Mal could handle torture better so it made sense on all fronts, it helped her relationship with Wash, Mal could handle it, and the audience approved of it.

As a general rule though I don't like stories where people have to choose between loved ones of differing connections, they're problematic.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:40 PM

Yeah, but at the same time, that kinda looks like where this might be going. Complications could arise in either Zoe's condition or Inara's, and on Serenity they don't have the resources to address that. That might mean that splitting the crew will become necessary - the most likely possibility I see there is that Inara might leave for doctors in the core. And she'd also probably try to go alone. I doubt the crew or Mal would allow that to happen, but I'm not sure what their alternatives might be.

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:03 PM

I have to admit I don't really see that Zoë/Inara conflict coming. The captain might feel torn between them, but if so I don't think Zoë would ever force Mal to make a choice. She'd do it for him and leave if she had to. There might be an Inara/Mal's-way-of-life conflict coming, though.

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:18 PM

The thing is, I actually think Zoe and Inara would get along well, it's just Mal's loyalties would be split. I don't imagine either Zoe or Inara fighting over MAL of all people, that would be just a colossal waste of everyone's time. There's simply not enough there to be worth fighting over.

Zoe forcing Mal to make a choice: hmm. No, not outright, verbally, or deliberately, but he might be forced all the same. And I think Mal's the kind of guy who'd choose obligations over love, and everyone would think he's the biggest idiot, and he'd wreck his relationship with Inara in the process. But that's kinda how I see it going.

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There might be an Inara/Mal's-way-of-life conflict coming, though.


I actually don't think so. I think the big issue between them isn't actually their different life-ways, but the constant awareness of death they both have. I mean it's not like Mal had a problem with Nandi, so his problems along those lines with Inara really seem like a put on.

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:33 PM

Mal's issues with Inara's way of life have just a very little to do with her actual way of life, and a lot more to do with his avoidance of intimate relationships. Her way of life is the excuse he uses to distance himself from intimacy. He was able to hook up with Nandi because it didn't involve a truly intimate relationship, just a physically intimate one. Anything he tried with Inara would involve a boatload of true intimacy issues, which is why he's so skittish and has a pile of excuses for not engaging.

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:41 PM

Yeah, that too. Though I suspect the concerns about death and ruination kinda outweigh everything else. Because, I mean, I don't want to generalize, but he's a guy and he's got hormones, and he's into women.

From my understanding whatever inhibitions and hangups he might have really kinda pale in comparison to that driving factor - that's why the most repressed guys act out the most whenever they have the chance, because all that repression just makes everything worse. So it seems to me if something is stopping him, it has to be just a little more than intimacy problems.

I guess I could question whether he really is repressed, since he doesn't act out (too much). But I think he is, the show all but outright says he is, and if he's not acting out then I suppose he's found himself some kind of acceptable outlet. Perhaps in one-night stands, like you suggest, and avoiding actual attachment, but that seems like a futile gesture if he's already developed that attachment and admits it to himself. And I don't think he's actually in denial about how he feels, it's more he thinks it would be wrong to express that.

Plus, in six months he's only had two one night stands (or rather a single one night stand and an almost-but-no-just-kidding-ima-steal-your-ship-now), which doesn't strike me as he's having to use other women to distract himself from genuine feelings.

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:16 PM

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There might be an Inara/Mal's-way-of-life conflict coming, though.


I actually don't think so. I think the big issue between them isn't actually their different life-ways, but the constant awareness of death they both have. I mean it's not like Mal had a problem with Nandi, so his problems along those lines with Inara really seem like a put on.



That's not what I meant. I meant her need to go to the Core for treatment conflicted with his need to stay out of it, though of course, if he truly loves her, he'll bring her there. I was under the impression that Inara's condition - whatever it is - is untreatable, at least not curable, so maybe there won't have to be a choice. Then again, Mal and Inara happily together for their few remaining weeks/months/years do sound a little boring ;-)

I have my plans for Inara in my future fics, I'm sticking with those, but this is a pretty interesting discussion.

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