NRA Prepared to make sure this never happens again
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UPDATED: Monday, December 31, 2012 18:17
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Quote:NRA is to gun rights what Rush Limbaugh is to conservatism. And yes, Fred Phelps to Christianity.
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
... as of late the NRA has been as useful an advocate of the right to bear arms as Fred Phelps is in regard to free speech.
Everyone is looking at the wrong end of the problem.
Instead of trying to prevent the reactions to the insanity that is our culture, we should be looking at changing the culture so those reactions are not seeded and provoked in the first place.
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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.
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I like your comparisons! Changing society is tough at best; I happen to think virtually impossible in ours. We'll evolve with time, but this time in history is pretty negative, angry and armed, unfortunately. I probably won't live long enough to see it change much; these things take time.
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Quote:You WOULDN'T??? I would! Unless your little brother goes to a particularly dangerous urban school, where a student is killed at least once a year in student-on-student violence, the risk of teachers "packing" seems far higher to me (drawer is left unlocked, teacher is specifically targeted for gun theft, gun goes off accidentally) than external risk. If the concern is school invasion (a very low risk) you can go to "closed campus" setup with bullet-proof entrances.
I don't think paying for armed security guards to be at each school is the best solution. But allowing teachers to conceal carry if they choose (with required permit and certification/instruction for those who choose to) would be just fine with me, I wouldn't mind such a practice at my little brother's school.
Quote:I guess my first question is" Are you dangerous? If you are, should you be on a registry?
I find it alarming that no one mentioned the atrocity of having a registry of people with mental illness, I mean WHAT????????????/ I watched the press release on CNN and when he said that I was pretty concerned. I don't want to be on some rutting registry of "dangerous" people, no rutting way.
If not, how would you feel about a registry for people with active, drug-resistant TB?
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how would you feel about a registry for people with active, drug-resistant TB?
For the life of me, I can't figure out what that has to do with the conversation!
A registration of people who are seriously disturbed, or have something in their history which indicates they could be a danger, wouldn't bother me. It's the concept of registering EVERYONE with a mental illness, which is insane, and which I find interesting coming from anyone who rejects the idea of a registry for gun owners. The dichotomy is amazing.
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In both cases, the person is a danger to others through a medical condition which is no fault of their own. If you're OK with the idea of registering infectious TB patients but not the violently mentally ill, why or why not?
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seems there is a bit of pick and choose regarding constitutional rights here. Becoming a bit like the bible?
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US gun rights advocates have signed a White House petition calling for British CNN host Piers Morgan to be deported for allegedly attacking the Second Amendment rights of ordinary Americans.
The outspoken former British tabloid editor has launched something of a personal crusade for greater gun control measures in the wake of the December 14 massacre at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.
On Tuesday, Morgan held an especially contentious interview with executive director of Gun Owners of America Larry Pratt, appearing to become incensed and incredulous when Pratt suggested more, not fewer, weapons as the solution.
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"You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?" Morgan said at one point during the heated debate. "You have absolutely no coherent argument. You don't actually give a damn about the gun murder rate in America."
Following the interview, a Texas journalist posted a petition on the White House website alleging Morgan "is engaged in a hostile attack against the US Constitution by targeting the Second Amendment".
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"We demand that Mr Morgan be deported immediately for his effort to undermine the Bill of Rights and for exploiting his position as a national network television host to stage attacks against the rights of American citizens," it says.
Many Americans believe in the literal interpretation of the Second Amendment, which enshrines the "right to bear arms" in the US constitution.
Morgan insists America can outlaw military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines without infringing on people's constitutional rights and says he has no quarrel with the Second Amendment.
Two days after the petition calling for Morgan's deportation was posted, it had already garnered more than 19,000 signatures, closing in quickly on the 25,000 required to get a response from the White House.
A defiant Morgan refused to back down from his position.
"Ironic US gun rights campaign to deport me for 'attacking 2nd Amendment rights' - is my opinion not protected under 1st Amendment rights?," he posted on his Twitter feed on Saturday, referring to freedom of speech provisions.
Morgan continued to post incendiary comments on the gun control debate, including a response on Sunday morning to an NBC interview with a top official in the powerful pro-gun lobby group, the National Rifle Association.
"Watching davidgregory expose Wayne Lapierre for what he is - a dangerous, dim-witted, deluded menace to American safety. NRA," Morgan tweeted.
At least some Americans have come out in support of the British citizen.
In one message, reposted by Morgan, Lee Cox in Arizona wrote: "I'm a native-born US citizen, and I agree 100% with Mr Morgan. If he goes back to the UK, should I go with him?"
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Lists of people worry me, about the only people I don't mind having a list of are people who have committed sexual crimes against kids. Other than that I don't really like listing people in an official registry of that ilk.
Am I dangerous? I don't think so, I've never harmed anyone, I make responsible choices. But the guy in the press conference (I watched it live) wants a registry of people with mental illness throughout the country, no way Jose.
About TB, I still don't like the idea of a list, I'd rather take my chances in life than label people in an irrevokable way.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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However, after nothing else happened for a few years...
By nothing, are you referring to the 30 or so other school shootings since then?
Apparently so in the perception of those in charge, since school security funding was decreased by State and local governments.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
Everything at schools has been cut - because the right would rather cut off education that cut back on tank orders.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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OK RIONA, just clarifying if your reaction was because you identified with the "mentally ill" or if was less personally interested. I feel I understand you now, thanks.
OOC, have you rethought the idea of teachers "packing"? Because really, the thought scares me to death. I would really have to weigh the pro and con risks, and if my kid's school was THAT dangerous I'd prolly try to get on the school board!
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It really wouldn't bother me Signe, as long as everyone who "packs" has had proper instruction and has demonstrated proficiency and clear understanding of safety etc. and keeps the weapon on their person at all times so as not to have kiddos pick it up and it accidentally go off.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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