"I should've slipped and stabbed him by accident."
POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Saturday, December 22, 2012 19:05
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Hello,
I wonder how many people who had him in their life feel this way. If he had just died, or been killed. If I had known, I could've done it. Could've murdered that kid in my chair years before he massacred all those other kids.
I feel that sentiments like this- perhaps natural to the grief-stricken mind, are very, very sad. I hated reading it.
It says something about us that I don't like.
--Anthony
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I don't think it says something about "us", but about the barber, and no doubt some others. SOME. I don't think it's unnatural for anyone to wish they could have done something to stop it, especially someone who had actual contact with the shooter..
Bear in mind that the psychologists are talking at length about "survivor guilt", and that it will touch even those who had nothing to do with the shooting or who weren't even there. I would chalk it up to that and nothing more.
Unquestionably yes, his thoughts and words were awful, no questions whatsoever about that. But I don't think it is a reflection of most people, nor do I think it's necessarily how this person TRULY feels, when his emotions aren't getting the better of him.
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It all boils down to the fantasy of control. Control is the saddest lie of the human mind. We have no control over this kind of thing. Y'know, murder is the ultimate expression of the fantasy of control. Murder is the only "control" any human being is going to have over the thoughts and actions of another person. We can limit and limit and limit a person's movement but we won't have total control. But we can have "control" if we end them entirely. So, yes, of course, folks fantasize about assassinating a 19 year old child for the pre-crime of killing 20 others. They fantasize about standing in front of the School like Doc Holiday and gunnin' the sum'bitch down like the dog he is.
It's also an expression of the a fallacy of us and them. Violence on my part = good, violence on his part = bad. All we gotta do, the think goes, is make sure that the violence always flows in the correct direction: from the virtuous to the villainous. But that's not in the nature of violence, is it? What violence loves most of all is a cycle. No, violence never goes in just one direction, the direction we want and fantasize about. But that brings us back to the fantasy of control, don'it?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Beautifully said, Cav.
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Hello,
Unfortunately, people will eagerly grasp this fantasy of control- even when it is ludicrous- in moments of pain, fear, and despair.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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And likely will until reality teaches them their error. What cataclysm will it take for a critical mass of the human race to actually deal with reality on reality's terms?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Reminds me of the thought experiment I'd heard of, years and years ago, where it is posited, that, IF you could go back in time, to a point where Adolph Hitler is still just a child, would you murder him, knowing that, if you didn't, he'd later grow up , and take the world to war ?
In effect, you'd be killing a young boy, who had yet done nothing, but would grow up to be the author of millions of dead and the destruction of much of Europe.
Could you carry out such an act ?
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
It all boils down to the fantasy of control. Control is the saddest lie of the human mind. We have no control over this kind of thing. Y'know, murder is the ultimate expression of the fantasy of control. Murder is the only "control" any human being is going to have over the thoughts and actions of another person. We can limit and limit and limit a person's movement but we won't have total control. But we can have "control" if we end them entirely. So, yes, of course, folks fantasize about assassinating a 19 year old child for the pre-crime of killing 20 others. They fantasize about standing in front of the School like Doc Holiday and gunnin' the sum'bitch down like the dog he is.
It's also an expression of the a fallacy of us and them. Violence on my part = good, violence on his part = bad. All we gotta do, the think goes, is make sure that the violence always flows in the correct direction: from the virtuous to the villainous. But that's not in the nature of violence, is it? What violence loves most of all is a cycle. No, violence never goes in just one direction, the direction we want and fantasize about. But that brings us back to the fantasy of control, don'it?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
It's odd how some mindsets cling to the idea that horrible things not only can but undoubtedly would have been prevented if just one lone individual being at just the right place and time, possessing the training, tools and presence of mind to overcome the bad guy(s). Even more curious is the pattern many who hold to that also insist that any event sufficiently bad enough (or sometimes not even that - the moon landing, for instance) required many individuals conspiring over a long period of time with powerful assets for unknown nefarious reason(s).
Superman vs. all evil in the world.
I wonder if George Zimmerman had a conspiracy fixation. I wonder if he pictured himself the lone hero.
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Um, WHO did you say you were, again and what are you trying to sell?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Reminds me of the thought experiment I'd heard of, years and years ago, where it is posited, that, IF you could go back in time, to a point where Adolph Hitler is still just a child, would you murder him, knowing that, if you didn't, he'd later grow up , and take the world to war ?
In effect, you'd be killing a young boy, who had yet done nothing, but would grow up to be the author of millions of dead and the destruction of much of Europe.
Could you carry out such an act ?
Nevermore useless a time-killer (ptp). I prefer what-would-you-do exercises that would involve something doable, therefore revealing not only character insight but a discussion about practical solutions in the world we live in now.
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Um, WHO did you say you were, again and what are you trying to sell?
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