Guns, Guns, Guns.
POSTED BY: FREMDFIRMA
UPDATED: Monday, June 30, 2025 05:56
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
This is precisely the problem: NO ONE HERE is ever gonna take your rights away. Not a single soul among us.
Of course not, but you will demand others do so, you will support and abet them in this, despite demanding that rights you like, or are used in manners you approve of, be left alone.
You are liars.
You are hypocrites.
And if you will not stand in defense of any right whatsoever simply because you care not for it, think it "obsolete" (and well hell, the Fourth Amendment is obsolete too, in this day and age of electronic info, but we adapted, did we not ?) or you do not care how others might someday use it...
Then you deserve no rights.
No means no.
YOU move.
-Frem
PS. Sorry HKCav, but comes a point where I cannot compromise - I've done that too damn often in the past and can hardly sleep or look myself in a mirror because of it, if that makes you think less of me, so be it.
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Basically, mass shootings are not a problem for you.
Victims are acceptable collateral for keeping the laws just the way you want them.
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Can you believe some of these responses?
"Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones."
— Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, responding to Friday’s tragedy.
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Frem.
First of all, you'd have to work very hard indeed for me not to think extremely highly of you. My life is richer for knowing you, even if it's only here on the interwebz. Your arguments, on the other hand, sometimes, not so much? You and I eternally disagree on methods, but I know your heart is Klingon (so to speak). And don't worry, I'm never gonna vote to have your gun rights taken away because it's never gonna come to a vote, is it? :)
"You are liars. You are hypocrites." Frem. What I hear you saying is that you cannot chill out and just talk to people because you've done it before and it's violated your moral code. Ya know what? I don't believe that for a second. Perhaps you've betrayed your ideals in the past in some conversation or other, but that needn't apply to the here and now unless you want it to. If you cannot be civil in discussing your cherished beliefs, perhaps they shouldn't oughta be so cherished?
On top of which, I'm getting a decidedly mixed message from you here and I'm noticing that more and more your argument has become pure appeal from authority. Very weird, coming from you, wouldn't you say?
You say that gun ownership is a "right" just as free speech is a "right." That we cannot pick and choose. Who says? 'Cause that is exactly what happens, no? The Founders picked and chose. Other nations have picked and chosen. That's what a people does. Then you say that the 4A is all but gone and that we've "adapted." Huh-wah? How in the world are you able to see that the 4A is largely eclipsed and yet cling to the 2A as if nothing's changed in 200 years?
That's what makes no sense to me. Why do you continue to couch your arguments for gun ownership in 18th Century terms??? Look, the technology of "speech" has not changed much in 200 years--we still read and write and speak, only now we can do all of that with more people and faster than ever before. If Tom Jefferson were to come back from the dead, after he got over his shock about tv and the internet, he'd get it. Free speech is free speech. And the technology of religious observance has changed not at all. Tom could sit himself down in a Presbiterian Church he'd have little problem following along. But the technology of armament has changed radically and absolutely. The state's power to put you to death is absolute. The state's power to destroy the planet is not an exageration. Jefferson would perhaps go mad if you were to show him the devastation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So the game has changed. Seems to me we'd better start adapting to the state's de facto monopoly on destruction and seek other solutions, no?
As for instance, of course, institutionalized empathy--as we are seeing more and more these days. Are you really so cynical that you don't think the race can grow out of tyranny as a maladaptive culdesac in social evolution? Saying free speech has caused a lot of trouble and freedom of religion has caused no end of suffering does not mean they are equivolent to the right to bear arms. I'd really appreciate it if you made a case for this, 'cause I ain't seeing it. Saying you have a right to apples and a right to oranges doesn't mean that they're the same fruit, does it?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Someone wants a pistol for home protection, fine. Want a good hunting rifle and shotgun, still okay. What you don't need is an assault rifle. If you live in a house with someone with mental problems that person or the guns need to go. Want to buy ammo, well you should have to have your pistol or other weapon permit to do so.
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Quote:This post makes all the sense in the world to me.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Someone wants a pistol for home protection, fine. Want a good hunting rifle and shotgun, still okay. What you don't need is an assault rifle. If you live in a house with someone with mental problems that person or the guns need to go. Want to buy ammo, well you should have to have your pistol or other weapon permit to do so.
An assault rifle means you plan on killing a whole lot of innocents, 'cause you sure aren't gonna fight an army of soldiers on your own with one.
In that sense, HK is dead on- the state will win, period.
Still, bad drivers kill more people in the US than guns, so why is badly driving a two ton bullet so warm & fuzzy, while guns are so vilified (And this is coming from a NOT-a-real-gun-owner although I have a couple of Walther PPK BB guns)?
My personal weapon for home defence is a Samurai sword I can get at to at any time, but I can empathise with the need to own a projectile weapon in more dangerous areas. When our society values humanitarianism over corporate profits, this need for extra-authoritarian measures will become extraneous, but in this pre-Trek time, I cannot deny the right to own arms (within reason) to otherwise unprotected citizens.
In a perfect world, guns would not exist.
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So how about mental health evaluations of everyone in the U.S. when they turn, say, 14? Anyone who fails gets sent to the reservation until they're better. Also random checks that'd re-test everyone every 3 or 4 years. Everyone who's ever failed gets a shock collar and everyone else gets a controller, so if the nutcase starts to act up, they can be safely tasered.
While we're at it, what about dogs? They kill thirty or so people a year, many of them infants and children. It would seem prudent to do away with them.
And those damn deer. 200 people a year are killed and 30,000 injured by deer trying to jump into their cars.
If it saves even one life...
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Geezer, thank you for your continuing effort to make yourself totally irrelevant to any discussion.
ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - HERE'S LAUGHING AT YOU KID!
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Quote:Deer are a problem... if we could arm the nutcases & task them with killing the evil deer threat we *might* be able to kill two birds with one stone in a fiscally responsible way...
Originally posted by Geezer:
And those damn deer. 200 people a year are killed and 30,000 injured by deer trying to jump into their cars.
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