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POSTED BY: m52nickerson
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 13:45
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Dam! Back to square 1 again!

Did you bother to look at [url] http://www.childrenofthecode.org/]?

yq kan led u hors tq wotr but yq kant mak him jrink.

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Yes I looked at it, and responded to it. They claim 60% under grade level. Grade levels are by their nature artificial. Children are learning things earlier and earlier. Perhaps the problem is how fast we expect them to progress.

Of course I posted links with much high literacy rates. Even a thirty horse will not drink foul water.

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Here's sumthing new for you to deny or ignore:

[url] http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,102926,00.html]

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Yes English is complex, yes it is hard. Does that mean we should change the whole system...maybe.

However as far as you system it fails because it is not what you claim. It is not a one letter for one sound system.

From the article, "English has 1,120 different ways of spelling its 40 phonemes, the sounds required to pronounce all its words."

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You are mislabeling disorganization az 'complex'.

There are not 40 fonemez.

Here:[url] http://www.unifon.org/images/UNIFON%20Eye%20Chart.pdf]

This iz the next best system to Nooalf. It's based on the suppozed 40 soundz uv English. Print it and study it for a day. Try riting a few paragrafs. I believe that even you will be able to find the superfluous letter/soundz.

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Originally posted by JO753:
You are mislabeling disorganization az 'complex'.

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The vast majority of word spelling fall into some rule or the other.

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Originally posted by JO753:
There are not 40 fonemez.

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In your opinion, which has been shown to be wrong. I can offer citation after citation on this. You claim regarding this has been debunked regardless of if you like it or not.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Here:[url] http://www.unifon.org/images/UNIFON%20Eye%20Chart.pdf]

This iz the next best system to Nooalf. It's based on the suppozed 40 soundz uv English. Print it and study it for a day. Try riting a few paragrafs. I believe that even you will be able to find the superfluous letter/soundz.

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All ready better than your system. Going through the chart I don't see, or hear and superfluous sounds. Perhaps you don't pronounce words properly, or differently than other people.

Of course this system was created in the 50's, is better than yours in that it does have one letter for one sound, and still never got any traction.

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Got sum traction. Still haz.

Are you going to try the test?

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The vast majority of word spelling fall into some rule or the other.

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Theres a substantiv claim. Back it up. Lets see at least 10 rules rite here that can gide sumwun in spelling or pronouncing an unfamiliar word.

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In your opinion, which has been shown to be wrong. I can offer citation after citation on this. You claim regarding this has been debunked regardless of if you like it or not.

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So how many soundz are there? Unifon sez 40, Many IPA based charts say 44, the ITA haz 48.

Google "sounds of english charts". Pick whichever wun you like. Uze a dozen, wutever you need. With all that firepower it shoud be a trivial task to come up with bunchez uv word pairz that Nooalf cannot distinguish.


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Originally posted by JO753:
Theres a substantiv claim. Back it up. Lets see at least 10 rules rite here that can gide sumwun in spelling or pronouncing an unfamiliar word.

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Here is 28.

http://www.riggsinst.org/28rules.aspx

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Originally posted by JO753:
So how many soundz are there? Unifon sez 40, Many IPA based charts say 44, the ITA haz 48.

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How many, at least 40. Or more than you have.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Google "sounds of english charts". Pick whichever wun you like. Uze a dozen, wutever you need. With all that firepower it shoud be a trivial task to come up with bunchez uv word pairz that Nooalf cannot distinguish.

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From the IPA which as you point out has 44 sounds. Since yours has 34 some our oviously missing. Here are 3.

http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-soundsipa.htm

? - away, cinema

?:? - turn, learn

? - she, crash

*The ? marks are for symbols this site will not display correctly. You will find them in the link next to the examples I gave.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Here is 28.

http://www.riggsinst.org/28rules.aspx]

Not bad, considering the circumstansez. A little mistake, however, iz that thoze are actually obzervationz, not rulez.

Anyway, duz it not seem juuuuust a little silly to you that there woud suppozedly be by dezine 28 'rulez' for working with 26 letterz just to avoid adding 8 or 9 more letterz.

Good website! You shoud study it more, especially theze charts: [url] http://www.riggsinst.org/assess.aspx]

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How many, at least 40. Or more than you have...
From the IPA which as you point out has 44 sounds. Since yours has 34 some our oviously missing. Here are 3.

away, cinema

turn, learn

she, crash

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U, R, s

Sins you apparently thought thoze were actual missing soundz frum Nooalf, you certainly havent notice the small black letterz next to the blue Nooalf letterz on the chart. Thoze are the standard keyboard equivelent letterz, so the lower case s = the sh sound.

Try harder. MUCH harder.

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