Season 4 Questions (no spoilers, please)
POSTED BY: Phoenixship
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 09:53
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As I recall, Wes threatened to take Justine's bucket away when she was about to smash his head in from behind on the boat whilst looking for Angel. This appeared to be a great motivator for her.
Also, I kind of lean toward the thought that Justine might have been reconsidering who was good and who was bad. She is still grieving for her sister and Holtz, and is filled with thoughts of revenge, but she may have felt like spending eternity staring into the ocean's depths was too cruel even for a vampire. Especially one who has done good works and has friends like Wesley.
I also agree that Angel had already forgiven Wes prior to being rescued, as evidenced by the Thanksgiving dinner scene.
Mal-licious
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Justine grieving for Holtz? She's the one who killed him and then told Connor that Angel did it - or at least let Connor believe that. If anything, she should be feeling at least some remorse for that. On the other hand, maybe not. She certainly showed no remorse for trying to kill Wesley.
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
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Originally posted by Malicious:
As I recall, Wes threatened to take Justine's bucket away when she was about to smash his head in from behind on the boat whilst looking for Angel. This appeared to be a great motivator for her.
That was a bit ridiculous - she could have smashed his head in before he even had a chance to finish the sentence...
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Originally posted by Grounded:
Angel:
1. S1
2. S2
3. S3
4. S5
5. S4
Buffy:
1. S2
2. S1
3. S3
4. S4
5. S5
6. S7
7. S6
Angel
1. S3
2. S4
3. S5
4. S1
5. S2
Buffy
1. S2
2. S3
3. S6
4. S4
5. S7
6. S5
7. S1
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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Originally posted by captaincdc:Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:
Angel:
1. S1
2. S2
3. S3
4. S5
5. S4
Buffy:
1. S2
2. S1
3. S3
4. S4
5. S5
6. S7
7. S6
Angel
1. S3
2. S4
3. S5
4. S1
5. S2
Buffy
1. S2
2. S3
3. S6
4. S4
5. S7
6. S5
7. S1
Angel
1. 5
2. 2
3. 3
4. 1
5. 4
Buffy
1. 4
2. 2
3. 3
4. 6
5. 5
6. 1
JMPO...LOL
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The number of people that put Buffy S1 at the bottom of their list always surprises me. It's basically a shorter, cheaper version of S2. Sure the visuals are sometimes poor, but the dialogue is razor-sharp throughout the entire year. Some of Buffy's best lines are in S1.
Embers: Angel S5 at the top...hmm...let me guess, might you be a fan of Spike?
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Originally posted by embers:
Angel
1. 5
2. 2
3. 3
4. 1
5. 4
Buffy
1. 4
2. 2
3. 3
4. 6
5. 5
6. 1
JMPO...LOL
What about Buffy season 7?
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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Originally posted by Grounded:
The number of people that put Buffy S1 at the bottom of their list always surprises me. It's basically a shorter, cheaper version of S2. Sure the visuals are sometimes poor, but the dialogue is razor-sharp throughout the entire year. Some of Buffy's best lines are in S1.
Embers: Angel S5 at the top...hmm...let me guess, might you be a fan of Spike?
I loved Buffy S1. For me, it has to rank behind the rest because of the shortness and I did not think it was as consistent as the rest of the seasons. I just don't think they had quite hit their stride until season 2 and then really got going in season 3.
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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Originally posted by Grounded:
The number of people that put Buffy S1 at the bottom of their list always surprises me. Some of Buffy's best lines are in S1.
Embers: Angel S5 at the top...hmm...let me guess, might you be a fan of Spike?
My rating has more to do with the overall seasonal arc than writing of individual episodes, and I've always felt that the BtVS S1 had no over all arc (except Buffy not wanting to be the slayer...), it was mostly stand alone episodes with thin obvious metaphors that I didn't find very moving....
and I DID forget to include S7, I'm still not sure where I would put it...I loved the season, but probably after S3 and before S5 (I really didn't like Glory et al).
and yes, you're right...I AM a Spike fan, but mostly I liked the Ats 'belly of the beast' theme, the attempt to fool the WB into believing they had stand-alone episodes when really there was this over-all arc of Angel being afraid he was becoming the puppet of Wolfram&Hart, a hollow version of his former champion self....
I felt that Ats S5 had a very clear vision of what themes were important to create a season arc about the existential hero and why he fights.
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Originally posted by embers:
My rating has more to do with the overall seasonal arc than writing of individual episodes, and I've always felt that the BtVS S1 had no over all arc (except Buffy not wanting to be the slayer...), it was mostly stand alone episodes with thin obvious metaphors that I didn't find very moving....
S6 is the king of obvious metaphors...
Anyway, how can you say S1 has no arc? We have the arc of discovering who Angel is as well as the rising of the Master. It was a little thin given that they only had 12 episodes but still very well done.
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Originally posted by embers:
I felt that Ats S5 had a very clear vision of what themes were important to create a season arc about the existential hero and why he fights.
This is the kind of arc I prefer: a thematic one. Something that S1, S2 Angel had in abundance. Long story arcs tend to get bogged down in padding and continuity - S4 is supposed to run concurrent with Buffy S7 but the timeframes aren't even close to one another...
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