Meanwhile, as usual in Israel...heeeeere we go again
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 11, 2026 00:13
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Originally posted by Storymark:
But breaking the cease-fire with an assasination is a-okay? Sure, if that happened with us, we'd send flowers, right??
Israel had been taking rocket attacks for some time before.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
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Chicken and egg argument. I'm mostly just annoyed with them both. Sometimes they just act like children. Murderous, tantrum throwing children.
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That I can agree with.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
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Chicken and egg argument. I'm mostly just annoyed with them both. Sometimes they just act like children. Murderous, tantrum throwing children.
And there you have it...in a nutshell. More than anything, to me it's just a terribly sad situation that doesn't ever seem to get better, and I think of all the lives lost--mostly on the Palestinian side, and probably at least as many from starvation, Israeli violence and abuses.
It's so sad that everyone jumps, depending on their bias, to blaming one side or the other. There is PLENTY of blame to go around on both sides, but people would prefer to demonize one side or the other.
The only difference between the two is that Israel is rich, powerful and has first-class weapons...not to mention American dollars backing them up.
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Ultimately Israel will lose the PR & TV war as they always do. The more they bomb, the more civilians including kids get killed. I would have thought that they had enough sophisticated technology to take out rudimentary rocket launchers without causing so much collateral damage. And as a ground invasion nears, I hope they fully understand what they're doing. This is a great potential moment for Obama to be the peacemaker and broker an immediate cease-fire.
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Originally posted by Niki2:Quote:
Yes, because if some group were firing mortars and rockets at San Diego from Mexico we'd just sit around and sing Kumbaya until they stopped.
As Story pointed out, the "mortar" was fired by ISRAEL, so by the above logic (snark), Palestine had every right to retaliate.Quote:
About 4 p.m. Jabari, who is not usually seen in public, permitted himself to venture out from his hideout and enter his car with a bodyguard. An Israeli aircraft, perhaps a drone, was waiting overhead. Its camera showed the car passing a bus. As it entered a broad intersection, it was hit by a rocket that blew the car apart and killed its occupants.
The assassination was a signal to begin the attack on the rocket arsenals. Israeli warplanes swarmed over the strip, striking some 200 targets in the next 24 hours. ?
First priority went to attacking the mid-distance Fajr rockets capable of hitting the ?Tel Aviv metropolitan area – a strategic weapon Hamas has not yet resorted to. Israeli officials say they believe almost all the Fajr missile arsenals have been hit.
Within a few hours, arsenals that had taken many months, if not years, to build up, were destroyed. However, thousands of shorter-range rockets remain and these are being fired in intense volleys.
Hamas operatives, stunned at the assassination of Jabari, had reason to be even more stunned at the targeting of the rocket storage areas, which revealed the depth to which they had been penetrated by Israeli intelligence.
Yeah, Palestine should just "sit around and sing Kumbaya". Right.
GET REAL folks; learn the truth, use your brains, THEN start babbling about who's right and wrong, rather than just parroting what you've been told.
Let's see, Israel has been receiving rocket and mortar fire since October 8th. The Hamas commander was killed on November 14th. I think your timeline is somewhat confused.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/world/middleeast/israel-launches-air
strikes-after-attacks-from-gaza.html?_r=0
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/israel-assassinates-hamas-commander-aeri
al-barrage/story?id=17716728
So, thank you, Niki, for supporting my position. Hamas attacked first, Israel can continue to defend itself and respond to continued Hamas aggression.
Wow, really surprised that we can agree on something.
Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I would have thought that they had enough sophisticated technology to take out rudimentary rocket launchers without causing so much collateral damage.
You'd think, right up till you realize the collateral damage is more than half the point - sure, they pretend contrition, but look at this in the longterm, they blockade them, starve them, cut off their access to food, water, medicine... burn their fields, bulldoze their homes, poison their wells, and then you have the settlers moving in and massacring whole towns while the media remains silent, and when the displaced villagers dare try to defend themselves the settlers howl for the IDF to come "defend" them from the results of their illegal aggression and land theft, which they do, by prettymuch slaughtering EVERYONE in range.
A march that will, eventually, drive the Palestinians into the sea with nowhere else to go - what can you even call it but Genocide ?
What would you then have them DO, roll over and die ?
There's no honest broker, no agreement the Izzies won't break before the ink is even dry, laughing the whole while (and while trying to force THEM to hold to the terms under threat of violence) and so you wind up with a people backed into a corner fighting for their lives, their land, against an aggressor which has reduced an entire nation to a modern equivalent of the warsaw ghetto.
And yanno what bothers me too - I can easily see, provided this ever gets resolved without the total eradication of one side or ther other, eighty some years from now, steeped in cultural paranoid, fear and a sense of victim-entitlement.. Palestine doing exactly this to somebody else.
But again, what would you have them DO, when all they have is taken and taken and taken and taken and all they have left is their lives, which are so miserable and hopeless there's really no disincentive to suicidal attacks cause it's really all they got left ?
-Frem
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The only reason Israel bombed Gaza 1000 times this week and is ready to invade is because the United Nations is voting next week to make Palestine an official nation...
Gods Chosen Antisemites loving killing 800,000 babies in Gaza
http://www.facebook.com/partisangirl
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After Israel’s 2008 assault on Gaza that murdered 1,300 Palestinian Semites, one jew smiled: “It’s unfortunate, but every once in a while you have to mow the lawn.” This was greeted with a laughter, which was filled with Washington’s elite jews. Not a single one objected to the black "humor". During Israel's current massacre of Gaza this week, Hussein Obama went on vacation to Thailand's sexslave
industry.
http://consortiumnews.com/2012/11/16/likening-palestinians-to-blades-o
f-grass/
Semite.
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and ARABS - b : a descendant of these peoples - 2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.
—Merriam Webster Dictionary
"A 'Semite' is any person living in that area, including Arabs and Christians. It's time we start talking about 'The Other AntiSemitism'. A Semite is not a Jew living in America or Europe."
—Ralph Nader (Arab-American from Lebannon), Arab-American Business conference, C-SPAN, 2003
www.khazaria.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Ashkenazim.html
Which is why Hussein Obama fled to play in Thailand's sexslave shops this week as the Holy Land burns.
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"Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
-Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to Jonathan Pollard (convicted traitor and spy in USA) upon exiting Pollard's jail cell in North Carolina http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8239621/Ne
tanyahu-asks-Obama-to-pardon-Israeli-spy.html
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2002/010902.htm
http://www.netanyahu.org/forpmnetvisp.html
http://www.rense.com/general19/pol.htm
"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is PULL IT.' And they made that decision to PULL and we watched the building collapse."
—Jew Larry Silverstein from Australia, renter of WTC who profited by $7-billion insurance claim from 9/11/2001, PBS TV, "America Rebuilds"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8500406504731486597&hl=en
PULL.
to tear down, demolish, or overthrow.
—Webster's New World Dictionary
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The cowardly Hamas "militants" fire their 1000s of rockets from schoolyards, mosques, and hospitals. They want as much collateral damage to occur as possible. Images of dead mothers and children make for great propaganda to broadcast to the rest of the ignorant media-censored Muslim world to further whip up the hatred of Israel and the U.S. They're terrorists, #6 on the U.S. State Dept.'s list of terrorist organizations.
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Well, if you're gonna play the Terrorism card, so are the Irgun - aka Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
How exactly is it any goddamn different, save that this particular batch of Terrorists is in someone elses country taking it inch by bloody inch - again, I ask you, what the hell do you expect them to DO, just roll over and conveniently fucking die ?
They got no logistical support, no air force, no armor, no fancy drones or smart bombs or satellite imagery - the best they can DO from a resistive point of view is rockets and car bombs, most of which is the bitter lashing out of a doomed people who got absolutely nothing to lose.
Sixty-four YEARS of this shit, children who have grown up being shot at by snickering IDF troopers, who have watched their friends be slaughtered, men who've grown old under the heel of an ever stomping boot with us cheering it right along waving the banners and pissing our hard earned money into the war machine doing it, you think they give a shit about the distinction between combatants and civilians any more, when THEY have never known it, never been shown it ?
You really think a kid who survived and witnessed a deliberate shelling of his freaking ELEMENTARY school with white phosphorus (made in the good ole US of A and given to the Izzies for free) is gonna be too goddamn sympathetic here ?
This has been three generations of non-stop stomping, and us helping it along at every turn and corner even as the Likud spit in our face and laugh at our gullibility.
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO?!
Call it what you will, but when you are in someone elses country, taking their land and murdering their people, THEN screaming a fit and responding with overwhelming force when they have the nerve to shoot back, calling the other guys "terrorists" is no more meaningful than any other monstrous genocidal regime which has done so.
I didn't support that shit when *WE* did it, like hell imma let it pass unchallenged when done by one of our so-called-allies who is nothing of the sort.
-F
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