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Death from lack of abortion

POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Saturday, November 17, 2012 14:35
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NIKI2

Friday, November 16, 2012 3:41 PM

What Byte said, in spades. To say if women voted this way or that, it would all be solved, is simplistic at best. What Byte said explains part of it; religious indoctrination explains part of it; women's subservient attitudes toward their husband explains some of it; the power of men in politics explains some of it; and the biggest part is: Why should it only be women who care about the sanctity of a person's health and body?

The idea that it would all be solved if women just "voted" infuriates me, and I'll leave it at that out of respect for Anthony and the hope that he doesn't seriously believe that would solve the issue.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

CAVETROLL

Friday, November 16, 2012 4:24 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Hello,

To me, it is as simple as this: Does a person have the right to control their own body?

The answer is either Yes or No.

--Anthony

This is it in a nutshell. If you restrict the right of some people to do as they wish, expect your right to do as you wish will be restricted in the future.

Freedom, it ain't for the weak.

Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 16, 2012 6:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
What Byte said, in spades. To say if women voted this way or that, it would all be solved, is simplistic at best. What Byte said explains part of it; religious indoctrination explains part of it; women's subservient attitudes toward their husband explains some of it; the power of men in politics explains some of it; and the biggest part is: Why should it only be women who care about the sanctity of a person's health and body?

The idea that it would all be solved if women just "voted" infuriates me, and I'll leave it at that out of respect for Anthony and the hope that he doesn't seriously believe that would solve the issue.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

Hello,

Sorry to infuriate you, Niki. The 'Mostly Men' comment bothered me.

It isn't Mostly Men. Or at least it wasn't mostly men in 2003.

So I won't say More Women need to vote in their own interests if you won't say abortion gets outlawed because of Mostly Men.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

NIKI2

Friday, November 16, 2012 8:47 PM

I'll accept that, if you can show me facts and figures which show it hasn't been "mostly men" who wrote abortion laws. I don't think you can, but it would be educational for me if you could.

I would even go so far as to say mostly OLDER WHITE MALES, but if I'm mistaken, I'll happily apologize.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 16, 2012 9:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I'll accept that, if you can show me facts and figures which show it hasn't been "mostly men" who wrote abortion laws. I don't think you can, but it would be educational for me if you could.

I would even go so far as to say mostly OLDER WHITE MALES, but if I'm mistaken, I'll happily apologize.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

Hello,

I don't know whether it is mostly men who write such laws.

I only have figures on who supports such laws.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

GEEZER

Friday, November 16, 2012 9:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I'll accept that, if you can show me facts and figures which show it hasn't been "mostly men" who wrote abortion laws. I don't think you can, but it would be educational for me if you could.

I would even go so far as to say mostly OLDER WHITE MALES, but if I'm mistaken, I'll happily apologize.

Since most legislators are men, and most are white, and many have been in office for quite a while, it would seem likely that they write pretty much all the laws, be they opposing abortion or approving same-sex marriage.

The people who put them in office do so because they want certain things done. Unfortunately, a lot of people - men and women - seem to want abortion either severely restricted or prohibited. If you can't get to those folks and convice them that their beliefs are harming or endangering others, and diminishing their rights, it doesn't matter if they elect old white men or young women of color, the laws and rules they support will stay the same.

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 16, 2012 9:35 PM

Hello,

Indeed. If 61% of women want more restrictive abortion laws, then your problem isn't old, white male legislators.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:41 AM

Not following the debate in the US all that closely, but the most vocal supporters of a blanket ban on abortions appeared to be men in the US. I know a lot of women also feel that way, it's just that they were perhaps not as loud or ridiculous as the men.

I am sorry that it got to this sad state of affairs for the sad state of the abortion laws in Ireland to receive publicity. I've been meaning to post something on it for some time.

Again we see the lack of compassion of laws created on religious grounds to preserve the sanctitiy of human life. What a joke.

NIKI2

Saturday, November 17, 2012 2:35 PM

Quote:
Again we see the lack of compassion of laws created on religious grounds to preserve the sanctitiy of human life. What a joke.

Amen.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.