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ANTHONYT

Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:45 PM

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And wuts artistic about having spelling dictated by tradition and enforsed by everybody like the Taliban?

Hello,

This nooalf has its own spelling dictated by 'traditions' being put into place now. That whole x thing you mentioned earlier. I know what Th sounds like, but because of nooalf's arbitrary traditions I need to redefine X and substitute?

Oppressive. ;-)

-Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

JO753

Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:15 PM

How did the internet prove that, M52? You are implying that the pronunciation keys in dictionaryz arent needed.

There are many wordz, usually compoundz, that hav th and it duznt make the X or x sound, Anthony.

You are both arguing hopeless pozitionz. And nobodyz taken a shot at that 50 quatloo prize yet! Seriously, its not that difficult if you reeeellllyyy think about it for a few minits.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

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ANTHONYT

Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:27 PM

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How did the internet prove that, M52? You are implying that the pronunciation keys in dictionaryz arent needed.

Hello,

Pronunciation keys? Some way of accurately rendering the sounds of words?

Is there a mechanism that does this?

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

JO753

Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:32 PM

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Sorry, computers can deal with this. http://wikspeak.en.softonic.com/]

Didnt say computerz cant handle pronunciation. I sed your single TH rule iz not sufficient. Basic aljebra.

You are confuzing a lojik statement for a complete program. If you look at the source code for that you will probably find an entire dictionary with cross referenced equivelent pronunciation ritten in the IPA shown there. Du.

Plus, why iz the sample word incorrect?!

A couple uv programmerz tried to write a rule based program to spell english back in the 90z. They gave up after more than 600 rulez failed to work, realizing they mite az will just do an equivelency list.

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M52NICKERSON

Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:02 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
How did the internet prove that, M52? You are implying that the pronunciation keys in dictionaryz arent needed.

Is it really hard to understand that new words are made up and spelled how they sound? Pretty sure 99% of the people that read it know how to say a word like "noob".

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Originally posted by JO753:
There are many wordz, usually compoundz, that hav th and it duznt make the X or x sound, Anthony.

Which ones?

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Originally posted by JO753:
You are both arguing hopeless pozitionz. And nobodyz taken a shot at that 50 quatloo prize yet! Seriously, its not that difficult if you reeeellllyyy think about it for a few minits.

You are the Dunning–Kruger poster child. Your argument boils down to "I'm right and you will see that if you really, really think about it".

It is pretty insulting that you think Anthony and I are not putting thought into this. More so when we are not the ones hand waving arguments away.

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JO753

Friday, November 16, 2012 10:14 PM

Noob. Good example. Notice how 'good' iz spelt?

There are a few more wayz you coud spell that and most people will pronounce it the same. newb, nube, probably even knube and gnube etc. since everybodyz used to silent initial k and g.

Again, you are arguing against sumthing I never sed. And again, your argument fits rite in the 'there iz no problem' class.

Tried to think uv sum non X or x TH wordz, but I'm not very good at recalling examplez. Found a compound word list that appeared to be totally random and found sweetheart and courthouse.

I didnt say you guyz arent putting any thought into this. I'm saying that your thoughts are rong.

Therez a line in Men In Black thats pertinent to how people try to defend their beliefs. Agent K sez "Human thought iz considered a dezeaze in sum uv the better galaxyz."

Its likely a product uv evolution that we start thinking up theoryz and generalizationz almost immediately wen beginning a new subject. a handful uv facts drop into our brain and we are alredy trying to assemble them into sumthing that makes sense. Helps wen you want to avoid getting eaten by a tiger, but in the world uv science and teknolojy we hav bilt, premature conclusionz usually only mislead and hinder learning.

The problem gets worse az we continue to bild on theze 'theoryz'. They are like castlez in our hedz, and the longer we live in them the more we bild them up, the less willing we are to reconsider the basic premise.

We soon get to a point that we reject facts and lojik that appear to contradict our beliefs. We defend the castle.

English iz inherently a big project for everybody. All that memorizing. All that time flipping thru dictionaryz. The frustration and sumtimez embarrasment wen we get sumthing rong. The idea that we stacked all thoze hardfought rocks up to such a grand edifice for nothing iz hard to consider.

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RIONAEIRE

Monday, November 19, 2012 6:15 AM

Nooalf = new speak. Texting = new speak. Any consideration should indicate how I thusly feel about nooalf and textspeak. I don't like them and think they're lame. Now when actually texting it makes sense to abreviate, but when chronic texters bring their cheap abreviatories into other realms of communications its super lame and makes me cringe, I mean really, Winston and Julia are rolling over in their ... wherever fictional charactors are put when the author is done with them. :)

Plus my speech software reading Joe's writing is funny, it makes him sound like a goober. But that's neither here nor there. If he wants to spell funny I don't care, but it is a turn off for those reading his posts. But I support his right to do it if he wishes.

I see no reason to doubt his mechanical prowess, I generally take people at their word, unless its something that just sounds preposterous, and even then I can be persuaded with repetition and consistancy, Frem's life story being an example. So why do people automatically doubt Joe's mechanical abilities because he can't spell and thinks we should all spell like him? (Yes I know I'm a crappy speller, but really, I'm a spelling guru in comparison, though I think his lack of spelling ability is all by choice where mine is just laziness/not wanting to spend the time looking up words before I write them.

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CHRISISALL

Monday, November 19, 2012 6:29 AM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I'm a spelling guru in comparison, though I think his lack of spelling ability is all by choice where mine is just laziness/not wanting to spend the time looking up words before I write them.

Riona, spelling is an art, not a siense, and dudz that rite canott beez blamad for bahd gramour nar chitty compsrenention uv da lenqeueg...

JO753

Thursday, November 22, 2012 1:04 AM

At least you admit to lazyness, Rionaeire. And you're correct that I mispel by choice.

Lazyness iz an important consept. Not alwayz a fault, but a virtuous preference for efficiency uv time and energy. People will generally not do unesesary work. It makes no sense. Given a choice between 2 toolz, all other factorz being equal, they will ritely pick the wun that duz the work most efficiently, at least az far az their own elbow grease iz concerned.

Lazyness iz wun uv the forcez uv human nature that I am trying to harness to spred Nooalf. Nooalf iz the more efficient tool for the work uv spelling.

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JO753

Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:33 PM

You hav followed the usual pattern here, M52. You can find virtually the same 'debate' in several forums on the internet going back a dozen yirz.

Peeps dont like the idea that sumwun iz messing with English. They figure I'm an idiot based on my spelling and Itl be an eazy victory. They jump into a topic or start a new wun, then call on authority & consensus, deny facts, ignore lojik, never admit a lost point, repeat dead arguments and, finally, slink away.

Still, I continue to hope that sumday wun uv you will be able to see the value in lojik over tradition and clear the rubble uv a poorly constucted castle out uv your brain after I hav helped you tear it down.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com