Wash and Book

POSTED BY: BYTEMITE
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 04:49
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M52NICKERSON

Tuesday, October 2, 2012 1:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
A lot of fanfic writers include them after the movie, often without any explanation about just HOW that happened.

While fun, does it reduce or diminish the emotional impact of the movie?

Yes. At least I think so. How the crew deals with those deaths have huge story potential.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, October 2, 2012 3:09 AM

but, on the other hand, you have the potential stories that can be created if those characters are still alive.

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:12 PM

I like stories where they're still alive, either post BDM or between series and movie, between ones are my favorites though because the movie annoys me, but its not as annoying if Wash and Book survive. I'm an AU kinda gal in that regard.

I would rather see a season two (assuming no one had aged in the last ten years) that takes place between the series and the movie. But in reality, where people age, I'd rather see a spin off with all new charactors with their own ship and their own stories to tell.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

BYTEMITE

Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:00 PM

Alternatively: animated series with the cast all throwing in their voices.

Or eventually someday, a reboot.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:34 PM

Yeah, Wash could have been away setting up a homestead for Zoe and the baby, but both of them are still fighting about whether or not they should even STAY on Serenity... Therefore not really talking to each other, which the crew could comment on in an amusing fashion. I'm sure Mal would have some great annoyed remarks he could make about that situation, especially because Wash would have left him without a pilot during this several months long argument.

And Book could just stay on Haven, helping settlers rebuild, the crew doesn't have to see him every week for him to still have a place in the story.

ECGORDON

Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Isjonni:
"All nine principal cast members from the television series returned for the movie, although Glass and Tudyk could not commit to sequels, leading to the death of their characters in the script."

Just because it's on a wiki page don't mean it's correct. I'd bet anything that quote is inaccurate. I have never heard either Alan or Ron say anything about not wanting to sign a multi-picture deal.

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BYTEMITE

Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:42 PM

Well, actually I know for certain that Alan and Ron have said really wanted to continue to play Wash and Book. Alan has said he was kinda heartbroken about Wash dying. Joss had to reassure Alan that he'd find a way to include Alan if more Firefly/Serenity was ever made.

So it sounds to me more like the wiki was saying that Ron and Alan had commitments or something.

But you're right, it could just be rumours someone stuck into the article that aren't factual.

TWO

Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Isjonni:
Well Whedon says it himself at 3:59.
So it's at least true with regard to Alan.

Now I know something I wish I didn't know about Joss. I am disillusioned.

Wash did not react to the horrifying danger, but when he died the Reavers had to land outside his window, aim their Reaver cannon, and fire. I finally have the real explanation for Wash's inaction -- from this video of Joss.

I was telling myself when I saw the movie for the first time, "Wash, you just got shot down. Check for flames. Look for Reavers. Make speech later." If I'd been a pilot in plane crash, when the plane came to halt I would not calmly sit strapped into my seat and congratulate myself for my luck. I'd jump out of my chair like Wash should have. "Reavers are in front of you, Wash. Shut up and move!"

Because Joss placed the camera to hide from me what should be obvious to Mal and Zoe (unless they are blind - very convenient for Joss' script) the only people who were justifiably surprised by Wash's death was the audience. So . . . Joss kills Wash for the business reason, partially, that Alan Tudyk can't sign a 3 picture deal to play Wash. This is news to me.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

TWO

Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:07 AM

Next time Joss does a Q&A, somebody ask, "How many hours before the first table read with the actors did you decide to kill Wash?" Or, "Killing Wash in one version of the script did not pressure Tudyk to sign a 3 picture deal. Do you regret your hasty and ill considered revision once Tudyk called your bluff?"

I can see the process: Tudyk hasn't signed for a 3 picture deal. Under mild pressure from Universal's legal department worried that Tudyk's agent will demand a salary bigger than Nathan Fillion's for the big damn trilogy, Joss tells prop department to make a headstone for Wash and send it to the conference room where the actors will be meeting; Wash's lines are removed from pages 105 to 126 of the script; secretary makes script copies for tomorrow's table read. Joss is not subtle. He is God.

http://jennielu.deviantart.com/art/Joss-Is-God-330992305

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

MOOSE

Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:51 AM

I can't see the vid on my connection.
Is there any chance that he was just kidding around about that?

I had never heard that reasoning either.

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