The Brit Thread

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FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by PEACEKEEPER:
I think the issue is with the armed police point is, maybe if they had been armed they could have returned fire.But, I agree, what chance did they have.Anyway, I think it is widely accepted that the gun control argument is something that is never going to be given any real consideration in this country.Our culture is just too ingrained against the use of guns.

And yanno, this might sound strange comin from me, but I don't see a problem with that.
See, the problem with a lotta Americans, although not limited to them alas, is a lack of understanding OF other cultures, combined with the jackass assumption that theirs is somehow superior, it's ridiculous.

Now, personally I think Y'all have gone just slightly overboard in regards to criminalizing self-defense (which has nothing to do with guns save as one of the many possible tools to use) and that has had some backlash effect and incidently further enabled and abetted the criminal element - but I feel the introduction of firearms wholesale into your society would do it absolutely no favors whatever, it'd be a bloody disaster, pun intended.

Whereas over here, you couldn't possibly REMOVE them from the equation, all you wind up doing is disarming one "side", generally the better one, and said imbalance of power results very quickly in bloodshed and mayhem - cause we're NOT a sane society, not really... PRETENDING otherwise, PRETENDING it has anything to do with the guns themselves, is just another offshoot of that insanity, and till we get a handle on it, those of us who might find themselves face to face with the ugly underside of our screwed up little world better their own chances with a firearm, even if they never actually have to pull the trigger.

Consider the American mentality on a global scale - Got nukes, got a real military.. okay we'll negotiate.
Got no nukes, weak military, few weapons... YOUR ASS BELONGS TO US!
Now scale that down to a single city block, that exact same fucking mentality, and that's America.
Which is why we NEED those firearms, you see ?

If that's ever gonna change, we need to get some sanity into society FIRST, BEFORE trying to take the weapons out.
Otherwise we're just handing easy victims on a plate over to the worst elements of that society.
So it's everything to do with culture, and little to do with the item itself.

And I do feel ya about Americ-o-centrism or what have you, right now I am cheesed off about how little attention a certain other matter has gotten, like we don't even fucking NOTICE any more, grrrr.
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2012/09/16/nato-accused-of-killing-8-a
fghan-women-in-airstrike.html
At least CD picked it up, nice words, but in the end, just words.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/05-1
We need more than words, we need to get the hell OUT of there, support the Afgans in solving their own problems, instead of trying to issue decrees by way of the gun, it doesn't work.

-Frem

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, October 7, 2012 11:33 PM

Hope I'm not thread hijacking, PK.

Here is our own version of your right winged not job commentator - radio 'personality' Alan Jones, who has recently caused a furore over comments made about the recently deceased father of the PM.

Moron.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/sponsors-drop-alan-jo
nes-after-attack-on-pm-20121001-26ugl.html

PEACEKEEPER

Monday, October 8, 2012 6:57 AM

Not thread jacking at all Magons.It's nice to know that the rest of The World does exist.After reading the article,he strikes me as a wannabe comedian trying to make political commentary, and has fallen way short of the mark. Insensitive to say the least, but I don't think any disrespect was intended to the deceased. But he looks like a bit of a wanker.!!!???

Frem----I've been one for slagging off your gun culture in the past , tbh. But I suppose if it's in you, it's in you??? The thought of taking guns from you is just as abhorrent as forcing them on us. I don't like it, but hey, it's your arse at the end of the day.

And Geezer, an obvious point, but they were killed by a dickhead from an unaceptable subculture.He is not part of mainstream society and we do not pander to the scumbag few by turning ourselves into an armed state, thank you!!!

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

KPO

Monday, October 8, 2012 5:29 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by PEACEKEEPER:
Chrisisall----I think the issue is with the armed police point is, maybe if they had been armed they could have returned fire.But, I agree, what chance did they have.Anyway, I think it is widely accepted that the gun control argument is something that is never going to be given any real consideration in this country.Our culture is just too ingrained against the use of guns.

Except that the two officers were killed with a gun.

Wha...? This is the kind of argument Wulfenstar would make. Aha, a single instance of gun crime! Gun control has completely failed!!!

The UK has about 50 gun murders a year. Compare that to the USA's 9000... I'd say UK-style gun control works pretty well.

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Also wonder if the "Wot's all this, then." philosophy - that folks will defer to police in most all instances - made the officers a bit less careful and aware.

Lol, never heard of the "Wot's all this, then." philosophy. This whole point to me, is a bizarre conjecture. Americans and their views of Britain/Europe...

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Monday, October 8, 2012 5:38 PM

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I think Y'all have gone just slightly overboard in regards to criminalizing self-defense

There's no criminalisation of self-defence. If you fear you're in mortal danger use whatever force you think you have to. If you kill your assailant the police might question you and investigate to corroborate your story, but you won't be charged.

It's not personal. It's just war.

AGENTROUKA

Monday, October 8, 2012 8:49 PM

In connection to the tragic case of the missing little girl:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-19869710

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A Lancashire man who posted offensive comments on Facebook about missing five-year-old April Jones has been jailed for 12 weeks.

Matthew Woods, 20, made a number of derogatory posts about April and missing Madeline McCann.

He appeared at Chorley Magistrates' Court where he admitted sending a grossly offensive public electronic communication.

I thought this was disturbing. Apparently, in Britain, you go to jail for free speech? I mean, I don't know what he posted and I do not want to defend it, but... it just seems extreme to send someone to jail over that. Who decides what is grossly offensive?

Am I missing something?

PEACEKEEPER

Monday, October 8, 2012 9:28 PM

Because it was published directly after the event,is emotionally raw,is something that has shocked a nation, has no consideration for the girl's family,has no basis in decency or morality, and is directly aimed at slandering a helpless 5 year old girl, who has possibly been traumatised beyond all understanding before she died(even though no body has been found, so that is a presumption.) Maybe harsh in the cold light of day, but at this moment in time, it's probably better than some hate mob going round and cutting the little pricks throat.
Personally I welcome the fact that being an anonymous hate inducing little troll with no respect for the consequences of your actions CAN be subject to a wider moral sanction. Some things are surely unacceptable,no matter what cultural freedoms you may have. I'm not sure jail is the right way to go, but I certainly agree with some kind of public shaming and re-education in the field of moral responsibility.
One of these days, I'd quite like to see PN be subject to a similar course of action.!!!!!!

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

KPO

Monday, October 8, 2012 11:00 PM

No, you're not missing anything Rouka, that's how it is - the right to free speech (of the nasty variety)is not as respected here as in America. I personally find this kind of example quite worrying; I don't think the slope is as slippery as some here would probably argue, but I thought our principles of free-speech were stronger than this. In any case I think a twelve week jail term is ridiculous. I would limit the punishment for this kind of offense to a fine, probably just for the most extreme cases.

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Who decides what is grossly offensive?

There's probably a complex legal definition.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Monday, October 8, 2012 11:18 PM

More UK news, Bedford couple unwittingly grow mammoth cannabis plant

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-19868327

It's not personal. It's just war.

PEACEKEEPER

Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:51 AM

Fuck me, that is huge. But how in God's name has it got that size in our very inclement weather. I thought they needed heat and light for cultivation???

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

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