What DON'T you want to see in Serenity?
POSTED BY: ShinyDude
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 06:51
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Essentially what I was getting at was that the main theme in Joss's works is that nothing is sacrosanct - nothing, no matter how good and pure, is invulnerable to violation.
Just like in real life.
Say Wash and Zoe had that baby. At some point, I reckon, the baby may have died. Been murdered perhaps in a horrible fashion. HOW COULD HE? Babies never, ever die in film or TV (that I've ever seen at least) - it's just too horrible to think about. No-one else would dare touch it. But sadly, it happens in life. Life goes on, and that fallout is what he likes to explore.
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Daikath wrote:
Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:33
What I definatly do not want to see is anymore lame fake shoot-outs like with Patience or Heart of Gold where the bad guys miss or have empty batterys and the heroes always aim right and have plenty of ammo.
WTF!
I loved the shootout with Patience. Especially when Mal shoots the horse on to her.
I thought the Heart of Gold shoot-out was pretty good too except when Book was hosing baddies with the garden hose or when Mal caught the high tech hovercraft with his horse..
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Daikath wrote:
Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:33
What I definatly do not want to see is anymore lame fake shoot-outs like with Patience or Heart of Gold where the bad guys miss or have empty batterys and the heroes always aim right and have plenty of ammo.
WTF!
I loved the shootout with Patience. Especially when Mal shoots the horse on to her.
I thought the Heart of Gold shoot-out was pretty good too except when Book was hosing baddies with the garden hose or when Mal caught the high tech hovercraft with his horse..
The shoto out with Patience was cool excerpt for a moment in the middle wherein all of Patience's men plainly missed Mal and Zoe while Mal and Zoe got them all at once. Sure they were caught off-guard by Jayne's snipershot but the moment after that was just fake when they should have been ready to shoot and still outnumbered Mal and Zoe they still missed.
Heart of Gold also had a guy on a hovercraft with a special lasergun with special aiming abilities missing a guy on a horse, right before the batterys were dead...
Sorry I think Firefly is the best tvshow ever but that was just fake.
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Essentially what I was getting at was that the main theme in Joss's works is that nothing is sacrosanct - nothing, no matter how good and pure, is invulnerable to violation.
Just like in real life.
Say Wash and Zoe had that baby. At some point, I reckon, the baby may have died. Been murdered perhaps in a horrible fashion. HOW COULD HE? Babies never, ever die in film or TV (that I've ever seen at least) - it's just too horrible to think about. No-one else would dare touch it. But sadly, it happens in life. Life goes on, and that fallout is what he likes to explore.
Yep,on that count you are absolutely correct, and I'm quite happy with it, myself. I think that people who expect things to end happy and perfect with Whedon's shows are just setting themselves up for heartbreak, and I just look at them like they're crazy when they say, "How could he?"
Well, did you really expect closure and happiness for everyone? If so, you haven't been paying attention...
Which may be why I haven't gotten my heart broken more often -- I expect the worst, then, if it doesn't happen, I'm pleasantly surprised.:)
Eomer: "Hi! Stop me if you've heard this one ...an elf, a dwarf, and a man walk into the Riddermark..."
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Originally posted by Calhoun:Quote:
Daikath wrote:
Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:33
What I definatly do not want to see is anymore lame fake shoot-outs like with Patience or Heart of Gold where the bad guys miss or have empty batterys and the heroes always aim right and have plenty of ammo.
WTF!
I loved the shootout with Patience. Especially when Mal shoots the horse on to her.
I thought the Heart of Gold shoot-out was pretty good too except when Book was hosing baddies with the garden hose or when Mal caught the high tech hovercraft with his horse..
I second that WTF! OK, the HoG shootout may not have been totally thought out, but the one with Patience was perfect. There's nothing I could think of about that one to make it any better or more realistic than it was. What on earth (that was) could anybody think was fake looking about that?
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
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Originally posted by Calhoun:Quote:
Daikath wrote:
Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:33
What I definatly do not want to see is anymore lame fake shoot-outs like with Patience or Heart of Gold where the bad guys miss or have empty batterys and the heroes always aim right and have plenty of ammo.
WTF!
I loved the shootout with Patience. Especially when Mal shoots the horse on to her.
I thought the Heart of Gold shoot-out was pretty good too except when Book was hosing baddies with the garden hose or when Mal caught the high tech hovercraft with his horse..
I second that WTF! OK, the HoG shootout may not have been totally thought out, but the one with Patience was perfect. There's nothing I could think of about that one to make it any better or more realistic than it was. What on earth (that was) could anybody think was fake looking about that?
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
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Originally posted by Daikath:
What I definatly do not want to see is anymore lame fake shoot-outs like with Patience or Heart of Gold where the bad guys miss or have empty batterys and the heroes always aim right and have plenty of ammo.
Zoe got shot in the chest (she had armor), Mal in the arm. They killed their best shooter first, after that started shooting real quick before they knew what happened. And the rest were scared or running away.
In HoG all the good guys were in cover and also had a sniper rifle (Jayne), the bad guys were all in the open. Yet still few of the good guys did die.
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Originally posted by Calhoun:
I thought the Heart of Gold shoot-out was pretty good too except when Book was hosing baddies with the garden hose or when Mal caught the high tech hovercraft with his horse..
If i remember right, Book had the hose cause they thought they would try to set the house on fire (...and it did have few small fires). The reason why he aimed it to that guy was because Zoe was reloading (or doing something else and didnt see the guy), so he distracted him for a while.
I loved both of the shooting thingys, especially the HoG one :)
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Yes Zoe got shot in the chest wher ther was armor and Mal in his arm. But there was definatly a timeframe in between where all of Patience's men were all missing, even after they took out their best shot and had time to come over the shock and during that time they still outnumbered them. Only a few shots after that moment did Zoe get shot.
And Mal getting shot in the arm wich turned out to be nothing more then a graze? please.
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Originally posted by Daikath:
And Mal getting shot in the arm wich turned out to be nothing more then a graze? please.
Yea that last one that shot Mal was really scared, didnt really know what he was doing. You also have to remember, the people with Patience were probably ordinary people (with guns). As in Mal and Zoe both pro soldiers and Jayne is also very good with guns.
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What if Whedon reads all the things people don't want and then does them? He's copped in the past to perusing the internet to see how fans are reacting to a charcter. (Adopts panicky voice) Don't let him know what your thinking. That's the only way to keep them safe. Tiny, tiny babies.
As for the shootouts, I though the one with Patience was about Mal and Zoe are hardasses who've been in combat before, whereas Patience's goon, probably not so much. Mal and Zoe are also prepared for a shootout, where the goons are prepared to watch Mal's head explode from an unseen sniper's bullet. They're waiting for our heroes to be taken by surprise and they get taken by surprise.
Heart of Gold had some dumb stuff, like the fire hose and the hovercraft catching. But they were firing from inside and the bad guys were all outside exposed. It was super lame that Burgess was able to pull up to the back unseen, maybe the traitorous girl was supposed to be watching back there?
Dan
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