Solidarity and Hate.
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UPDATED: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 04:07
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I *intimated* that Indrid is somewhat excitable. You're the one assuming that I meant everyone in the armed forces.
What's a body gotta do to be subtle around here?
Broad statements like you made are not subtle.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:The way I figure it, if you're accidentally or intentionally killing civilians, you've forgotten why you're fighting.
You still know why you are fighting, it is the acceptance of unwanted affects of fighting. That is the reason war should never be taken lightly and only when those civilian casualties are a lesser evil than what will happen if not fighting.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
You said you think amphetamines use happens on an individual basis? You don't think there aren't drug tests for that as well? The official policy is against drug use and steroids, but there's exceptions, and the reality is there's go pills and there's probably steroids, and all of that is unofficially sanctioned, it's just a matter of not drawing attention to it if someone is using it.
You really think that people wouldn't try to get every advantage they can when they're going into combat and they might possibly die?
One of your stories stated that military personal can use amphetamines under doctors care. Steroids would be the same, such as testosterone replacement therapy. All of which are on individual basis.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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One of your stories stated that military personal can use amphetamines under doctors care. Steroids would be the same, such as testosterone replacement therapy. All of which are on individual basis.
There you go then.
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You still know why you are fighting, it is the acceptance of unwanted affects of fighting. That is the reason war should never be taken lightly and only when those civilian casualties are a lesser evil than what will happen if not fighting.
Lesser Evil?
People. Dying. It's all the same evil.
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But they aren't being 'fed' amphetamines by the military except on rare occasion (pilots), and they aren't being 'fed' testosterone by the military either.
Many in the military use supplements. But they are the exact same supplements you find in your local health food store - creatine, yohimbe, milk thistle, amino acids and the like. Some drink very large amounts of caffeine and/ or alcohol, and/ or smoke. Some use drugs they get either locally or over the internet. But the military has a zero tolerance policy and administers random urine and blood tests. "Urine tests, which are conducted either randomly or when a person is suspected of using drugs, are a major tool for the detection and deterrence of illicit drug use (DoD, 1997)." I'm sure the screening is less than 100%. I'm sure some people get through who are using. On the whole though, the idea that troops are routinely being fed large amounts of amphetamines and steroids doesn't hold up.
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Then perhaps, as I *intimated,* one of these individualized programs was the result of the behaviour we've seen.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
There you go then.
Problem is that is not what you stated by a long shot.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Lesser Evil?
People. Dying. It's all the same evil.
A few thousand is a lesser evil when compared to a few million.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Problem is that is not what you stated by a long shot.
Yeah, it was. I said to Indrid that his military service apparently amounted to someone feeding him amphetamines and steroids for two years or so in a dirt hole somewhere. Which based on Indrid's introduction, appears to be a not unreasonable conclusion.
I'm not sure why we're having so much heartburn about this. Nick? Any particular reason?
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A few thousand is a lesser evil when compared to a few million.
A fat guy stands on a bridge above a train track, and a train is barreling towards five workers. WHAT DO YOU DOOOOOO???
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Yeah, it was. I said to Indrid that his military service apparently amounted to someone feeding him amphetamines and steroids for two years or so in a dirt hole somewhere. Which based on Indrid's introduction, appears to be a not unreasonable conclusion.
I'm not sure why we're having so much heartburn about this. Nick? Any particular reason?
You did not say apparently, nor did you phrase it just towards Indrids military experience. You made a blanket statement...
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Did you research this board and the people on it before you started posting? It's very unlikely that your argument that we owe you anything is going to fly here, whether you have military service or not. All that shows is that someone tricked you out of two or more years of your life and fed you amphetamines and testosterone in a dirt hole somewhere. My sympathies. Unfortunately, despite your efforts, it appears the constant erosion of freedom of speech is still very much a reality.
If you meant it another way you simply phrased is poorly.
I challenged you on the blanket statement about military service because they where simply wrong. I don't know if Indrids really served or not. Those who did do deserve respect for there service.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:A fat guy stands on a bridge above a train track, and a train is barreling towards five workers. WHAT DO YOU DOOOOOO???
What are you asking which I would save? If so it would be the five. Five is greater than one.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Goodnight everybody! You've been swell!
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This is an area that Byte and I diverge, there are actually a lot of those areas really. I tend to immediately and inherantly respect veterans by nature unless they give me a reason not to, most of them are brave people who are willing to take great risks and face scary things, so I give them respect unless they do stupid stuff to start out with. What I can agree with Byte on here is that this guy started out acting stupid, though it was quite interesting, the turn of events.
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