Solidarity and Hate.

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KWICKO

Monday, August 27, 2012 5:34 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:whether you have military service or not. All that shows is that someone tricked you out of two or more years of your life and fed you amphetamines and testosterone in a dirt hole somewhere. My sympathies.

Wow, there is the most ignorant statement regarding military service I've heard in awhile.

Actually, that's a pretty good summation of it. I say that as someone who grew up on military bases around military families.

And when you get right down to it, that's what so many of these "militias" really are, too.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

KWICKO

Monday, August 27, 2012 5:40 PM

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And it IS our right to do so. No matter how unpopular it may be. So touche, I realise now we all want our opinions to be the right ones and everybody else's should be illegal. We were just caught in our own symbolic snares.

I'm still not sure you realize where you are, what the people here believe, or even what the original poster was saying.

It's an impressive misunderstanding for a first time poster, to be sure.

Let me explain something. This board has no moderators. You will not be kicked off here for saying anything. You can argue at the original poster all you want to, and defend yourself all you want to, and no matter what people think about you here, you will continue to be able to say it. There's this guy who's always like "Nazi Jew Queen of England with bloody pictures and gore" everywhere, and he's been here for YEARS.

The question I'm getting at is more along the lines of WHY are you arguing with the original poster? You both seem to think that the courts were correct to let you go and drop the charges. And you aren't with the Hutaree anymore, therefore this display of loyalty to them seems unnecessary.

Byte nailed it. This is one of the few boards forums (fora?) where we really DO believe in free speech, unfettered for all, with no moderators shutting down "undesirable" opinions. But you have to be able to take a stand and defend it. The water's deep, and there may be sharks.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

KWICKO

Monday, August 27, 2012 5:43 PM

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Wow, there is the most ignorant statement regarding military service I've heard in awhile.

You'll have to show me what's incorrect about it.

How, lets start with the fact that military service is not getting fed amphetamines and testosterone in some dirt hole. Nor is it a waste of time, unless a person makes it that way. Every single person I know that has been in the military has gotten vast experience and opportunities from that service.

Odd that the suicide rate and homelessness rates are so high for those sought-after veterans, eh?

So is that "vast experience and opportunities" limited to suicide and homelessness, or do you count PTSD, traumatic brain injuries, and loss of limbs as part of that whole "vast experience", too?

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It is also hard for someone to get tricked into military service. With all the information out there on what service entails someone would have to willingly go into a recruiting office without looking into anything. Than they would have to not listen to a thing said to them. If that person could even get in. There is not a branch in the US military right now that is going to take an uneducated slubb off the street.

In which case, you have nothing to worry about, since you'll not be taken.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

M52NICKERSON

Monday, August 27, 2012 6:35 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Nick, please.

http://www.enotes.com/amphetamine-epidemics-reference/amphetamine-epid
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During World War II, methamphetamine and amphetamine were widely used by the American, British, German, and Japanese military as insomniacs and as stimulants to increase alertness during battle and night watches; they were used as well by war-related industries to enhance worker productivity. Perhaps as many as 200 million tablets and pills were supplied to American troops during the war. The U.S. armed services authorized the issue of amphetamines on a regular basis beginning with the Korean conflict, escalating to well over 225 million standard-dose tablets dispensed between 1966 and 1969.

They haven't stopped. Recently there's been major problems cropping up with pilots on amphetamine "go-pills" hitting the wrong targets. In one instance a couple Canadian soldiers were killed.

So when I see amphetamine behaviour, I call amphetamine behaviour.

The article you linked to does mention WWII use, but does not talk about use today. Yes, some pilots have decided to tale them instead of getting pulled from missions. As far as amphetamines being the cause of those, maybe. Or is it just pilot error. Mistakes are few and far between for the number of missions run.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

M52NICKERSON

Monday, August 27, 2012 6:44 PM

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Odd that the suicide rate and homelessness rates are so high for those sought-after veterans, eh?

So is that "vast experience and opportunities" limited to suicide and homelessness, or do you count PTSD, traumatic brain injuries, and loss of limbs as part of that whole "vast experience", too?

...and what are those rates? Homeless around 4%. Suicide rate less than 1%.

Now compare that to the number of veterans and other military personal that lead successful lives.

Sorry the number do not bare out your claims.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:In which case, you have nothing to worry about, since you'll not be taken.

You're quickly becoming the leftist version of Rappy. Might want to look into that.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, August 27, 2012 6:51 PM

Indrid, whether my reasons for not liking you and yours are "valid" or not is immaterial, and why not argue it over a couple brews at the time instead of message board flaming, since my primary bitch is being dragged into this further than I ever wanted to be out of personal obligation to a third party, and that ain't really got nothin to do with you.

Since yer here though...

Yanno, you really ought to watch Firefly, I rather think you and yours would enjoy it.

-F

BYTEMITE

Monday, August 27, 2012 7:16 PM

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The article you linked to does mention WWII use, but does not talk about use today.

It also mentions use in Korea and Vietnam and doesn't say that it stopped, and it's pretty bloody obvious it's still going on.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071789/ns/us_news-only/t/go-pills-war-dru
gs/

Go pills are widely acknowledged in the air force today, and a half-second of thought will demonstrate that groundtroops would also require pick me ups like this to operate in the conditions they do. Whether or not they realize they're taking them is another story.

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Mistakes are few and far between for the number of missions run.

Say, what's the noncombatant death toll for Iraq and Afghanistan, any takers? I'm not asking about Pakistan because according to the CIA there hasn't been any civilian deaths in Pakistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/12/world/asia/12drones.html?pagewanted=
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1KIKI

Monday, August 27, 2012 7:35 PM

"Go pills are widely acknowledged in the air force today ..."

They also mention amphetamines. But amphetamines are known to cause medical and psychiatric problems leading to acute crises, I was under the impression they were using Provigil instead.

STORYMARK

Monday, August 27, 2012 7:46 PM

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...and what are those rates? ...... Suicide rate less than 1%.

Well, yes, if you're looking only at that limited group. Another way to look at it is that servicemembers account for a fifth of American suicides, and that a service member or vet kills themselves every 80 minutes.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"