Did Simon Lie ?
POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 06:24
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Simon seems to know more about River then what he's telling...In safe when River told about what happened to the little girl..which is the reason she was going to be burned at the stake....Simon was aware then that River was physic then....
Also he knew River was telling the truth about Jayne setting them up to be caught on Ariel ... thats why he had Jayne on the table ....
But in OIS when Mal and the rest of the crew got together to discuss River Simon fiened like he was ignorant..and we know he's not...
so my question is ....Is Simon hiding something ..is he not telling more then he knows about River..I think he is
why would he be less then honest about River
I'm still not convinced that he and Book are working together
has anyone else speculated why Simon wasn't honest with the rest of the crew
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
has anyone else speculated why Simon wasn't honest with the rest of the crew
They're a bunch of crooks. Well, those that aren't covert agents of political factions.
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My guess is that Simon has some theories on what was done to River, but he does not strike me as the type to speculate until he has done more research and has facts to back him up.
As for his playing dumb about River, I think he would do anything to protect his sister, include leaving the crew in the dark. I do not think he is completely sure what was done to River, but I think he is on his way to finding out.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Also he knew River was telling the truth about Jayne setting them up to be caught on Ariel ... thats why he had Jayne on the table ....
But in OIS when Mal and the rest of the crew got together to discuss River Simon fiened like he was ignorant..and we know he's not...
has anyone else speculated why Simon wasn't honest with the rest of the crew
The reason Jayne is on Simon's operating table is that during "Trash" Jayne gets an electric shock that causes him to fall and hurt himself during the reprogramming of the garbage bin. Also, Simon is in the top 3% in his class, smart guy, can figure out based on River's commment that Jayne was guilty.
I would have to agree with BC1. Simon has shown his protective nature when it comes to River. In OIS, the crew meets to discuss Rivers fate because she had just unassumingly picked up a Desert Eagle and was pointing it at crew members in the cargo bay. Simon's view is to fix and protect his sister, so his tactic of "feigning ignorance" to buy himself some time to get concrete answers as to what is wrong with River, seems like a calculated move by Simon.
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I think your premise is completely wrong. Simon doesn't know River is psychic. You could just as well say that he knows she is a witch.
That River discovered what the problem was with Ruby may be remarkable (or simple and mundane as it didn't seem to be a big secret), but that no more makes her psychic than it makes her a witch. Simon is a man of science and it will take more than that to convince him of such an improbable hypothesis. He has dealt with River (before and after her 'surgeries') more than anyone else. Was she psychic when she told him that his textbook was wrong? Was she psychic when she corrected his spelling at three years old. Yes he is in the top 3%... and River makes him (and all of us) look like an idiot child.
Thank You Kindly.
p.s. Simon does lie about River and will of course continue to do so if he thinks it appropriate.
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I am of the opinion that Simon is lying to himself. In Safe, he protested to the witch-burners that River was just very intuitive. I don't think that he is ready to admit to himself that she might be psychic, at least until he can prove such a thing.
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Originally posted by Thalos:
In OIS, the crew meets to discuss Rivers fate because she had just unassumingly picked up a Desert Eagle and was pointing it at crew members in the cargo bay.
I don't think she was pointing it at anyone. As I recall, she was just holding it, looking at it. "It's just an object. It's not what you think." The crew was concerned because a paranoid schitzophrenic was holding a gun at all. The reaction was more of one you'd expect from folk finding out one of their kids got ahold of a gun, not "Oh my God she's pointing guns at folk."
ON topic: I think Simon has the best grasp of River's abilities, provoked by her treatment and not provoked by her treatment at the academy. Correcting his spelling and knowing the texbook is wrong were things she did in early childhood. She has an amzing mind. Like Kaylee said, she just did the math. It's somewhat hard to wrap around the brain, but she can do that kind of physics instinctually. Performing on the spot vector calculations with the same natural ease as you or I would have in walking or breathing. This is something that is difficult for anyone to remember when watching these episodes. She sees and breathes and senses the world in a way we can't. I think Simon knows this best. And like has been said, he'd do anything to protect his little sister.
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It amazes me that the same people who ridicule the hill folk as ignorant for thinking that River is a witch, are prepared to believe she is psychic on exactly the same evidence . One doesn't seem intrinsically more likely to me.
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um i dont think that simon is working with book secrety, i do think that for the protection of his little sis he is hiding more form the whole crew
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I think Sinon simply doesn't know yet WHAT to make of River. He knows some of what they've done to River, and how they cut on her. 'She feels everything..she can't not.' - or there abouts. Simon has an idea of what that area of the brain does, but not being a specialist , he can't say for certain just what they did and how it affected his sister.
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