What DON'T you want to see in Serenity?

POSTED BY: ShinyDude
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 06:51
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SHINYDUDE

Thursday, September 9, 2004 4:12 PM

There has been allot of things said about what we would want to see in the BDM, this got me thinking about the other side of the coin.

There was a thread a while ago discussing how most relationships in Joss' shows sometimes are, how shall we say...doomed. Meaning many of the couples don't last too long, don't have a happy ending, or just when everything seems perfect, one of them dies or looses his soul (again..)or whatever.

Anyway, the thread was focused around the hope that the Wash/Zoe marriage doesn't follow the pattern. Relationship troubles are one thing, but loosing one of them or them just flat breaking up is something most people don't want to see.

So what else would people hope is not covered in the movie? Or at least the first one?

I myself am hoping that Book is not all explained. There is plenty of stuff about Mal/Inara, River/Simon/Blue Sun, Kaylee/Simon, etc to fill plenty of screen time. I think if they tried to answer all our questions it would just seem rushed. And me personally, I like a bit of mystery about some characters (think - Reavers). Sometimes it's a bit more fun to guess and speculate about things and having them all laid out in front of you is a bit of a let down.

Anyone agree, disagree? Anyone else think of things that they hope are left for future movies? Or just something that is better being a mystery?

I'll be in my bunk...

BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, September 9, 2004 4:49 PM

I don't want all of Book's or River's pasts revealed in the movie. We have to have something for the next movie, right? Besides a little mystery is a good thing.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

PIRATEJENNY

Thursday, September 9, 2004 5:26 PM

I defintely don't want to see Simon kiss Kaylee..other then that I'm not sure

I hope they go more into the Reavers and the Blue Sun Corp....I think Book's past should not be revealed at he should keep some of his mystery... I want most of the charactors more or less left as a mystery Simon River Book..as for Inara I don't really care if her past is revealed

I still believe that FireFly is coming back to the small screen,,..so no I don't want everything explained...

PURPLEBELLY

Thursday, September 9, 2004 8:20 PM

I don't want to see Kaylee kissing Simon. Ever.

NEDWARD

Thursday, September 9, 2004 8:25 PM

Worry not, Jayne would put a stop to that sort of thing.

DOYOUFLIP

Thursday, September 9, 2004 8:39 PM

Jar Jar

DAIKATH

Thursday, September 9, 2004 9:33 PM

What I definatly do not want to see is anymore lame fake shoot-outs like with Patience or Heart of Gold where the bad guys miss or have empty batterys and the heroes always aim right and have plenty of ammo.

Other then that I like anything Firefly. Maybe it will ruin a little aspect, but I long for any official firefly :).

LITTLEMANLOVESFIRE

Thursday, September 9, 2004 10:19 PM

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Anyway, the thread was focused around the hope that the Wash/Zoe marriage doesn't follow the pattern. Relationship troubles are one thing, but loosing one of them or them just flat breaking up is something most people don't want to see.

I'm not having a go at anyone here but I've seen a lot of people saying stuff like "How dare Joss screw with Wash and Zoe."

Well to be frank anyone that says such things aren't real fans of Whedon, have never listened to anything he's ever said ("I don't give people the television they want - I give them what they need.") and shouldn't even be here calling themselves Firefly fans.

The prime reason Joss is the greatest scriptwriter in the world is because he's an evil bastard who knows how to make us fall in love with people he creates, and then makes the most appalling things happen to them. I didn't want Tara to die, I didn't ever want to see Cordelia strapped into a hospital bed screaming, I didn't want Buffy to send Angel to Hell, I didn't want to see Mal in that much pain at the hands of Niska. Tough poo poo kids. He does not write comfortable tv / film. If he did he wouldn't be what he is.

Even this thread is pointless in way. The only answer should be "A shit film." Beyond that, we have to trust that Joss knows best. For all we know, Mal might die at the end of Serenity - perish the thought, I love Mal and that would be awful but if that's the story the way Joss wants to tell it then I'm with him all the way. It's fair to say that in the 13 years of television he's created which I own that no-one else in the world has made me laugh or cry as much as he. I think he deserves some trust.

Come on Joss, break my heart. Again. You git.

JAPPAR2001

Friday, September 10, 2004 12:20 AM

i don't want to see a pure action movie.
i don't want to see nathan fillion naked. although it was funny.
i don't want it to be aimed at kids.
i don't want Universal to force Joss to editid the filmn how they want.
i don't want to see obvious product placement.
i don't want Book to be a bad guy.
i don't want to see the same landscape used for every planet. Theres a certain patch of desert that joss seems to use in buffy, angel and firely and i swear to god it's the same square kilometer each time. Does he own it? Ok this is forgivable becuase of budget and it was rarely used on buffy in comparison. Becuase Firefly had lots of extereior scenes, Joss's Desert became way too repetitive. Now, i realise they went back to this with the movie (odd considering the budget?) but i hope they don't pass it off as different planets. I'm sure they won't. Alias manage to use this Joss Desert pretty well.

ANKHAGOGO

Friday, September 10, 2004 1:55 AM

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I'm not having a go at anyone here but I've seen a lot of people saying stuff like "How dare Joss screw with Wash and Zoe."
Well to be frank anyone that says such things aren't real fans of Whedon, have never listened to anything he's ever said ("I don't give people the television they want - I give them what they need.") and shouldn't even be here calling themselves Firefly fans.

Ok, a moment of rant.
Saying they "aren't real fans" is rather superior and elitist. Saying they shouldn't "call themselves Firefly fans" is even more so. It's really, really, a fanboy attitude. That's like me saying that if you liked the Faramir (or Denethor or Eomer) in the movie Lord of the Rings, you're not a real Tolkien fan. You may not be as big of a dork about it as I am, and I will totally give you the 45-minute explanation about how they're different, but that doesn't mean you're not a "real" fan. You're just a different fan.
Just because someone is a fan of Whedon's doesn't mean they have to like or agree with everything he does, and it doesn't mean they can't be absolutely furious with the man when he does something they don't want to see happen. I never, ever wanted to see Spike and Buffy together,in any way, shape or form. I HATED that plotline with a violent passion, hated some of the things they did with Spike's character, and I ain't just talkin' "Seeing Red", either. I still hate that plotline. But believe you me, I am a Buffy fan. A "real" one, if that's the way you need to look at it.

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The prime reason Joss is the greatest scriptwriter in the world is because he's an evil bastard who knows how to make us fall in love with people he creates, and then makes the most appalling things happen to them. I didn't want Tara to die, I didn't ever want to see Cordelia strapped into a hospital bed screaming, I didn't want Buffy to send Angel to Hell, I didn't want to see Mal in that much pain at the hands of Niska. Tough poo poo kids. He does not write comfortable tv / film. If he did he wouldn't be what he is.

Yeah, see, that's the difference between me and alot of people. I did want to see those things. I want to see appalling things happen to those characters I've gotten attached to. I love it -- well, I was mad about the multiple traumas that happened to Wes. But it was fascinating to watch.
That's why I like Whedon -- he's one of the few people out there who will give me what I want. AND he will usually end up getting some spectacular character-development of out it, as with Wes.

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Beyond that, we have to trust that Joss knows best. For all we know, Mal might die at the end of Serenity - perish the thought, I love Mal and that would be awful but if that's the story the way Joss wants to tell it then I'm with him all the way. It's fair to say that in the 13 years of television he's created which I own that no-one else in the world has made me laugh or cry as much as he. I think he deserves some trust.

I don't trust the evil bastard as far as I can spit a dead rat. But I'm okay with that -- if I can guess what he's going to do next, then that's no fun at all. And honestly, the only thing he's done so far to break my heart is kill Wesley. Oh, that hurts. But kind of in a good way.
Damn Whedon. Damn him to hell.

Personally, I don't want Zoe & Wash to break up. I found it really intriguing that a show like Firefly started out with a couple early in their marriage -- usually it's "we're all single and lookit all the unresolved sexual tension and who will end up with who?" which is totally cliched. I like that they're married. I feel certain that they are in for a very, very bumpy ride with probably some separations involved, and again, I'm okay with that. That's marriage. He does like to show ugly reality, and the ugly reality is that marriages hit the skids sometimes. But that doesn't mean that Zoe & Wash are doomed to failure.
Here's something interesting to ponder:
Yes, Whedon is infamous[

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