America is a violent country

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KPO

Monday, July 23, 2012 10:37 PM

The red lines are other developed countries, United States in blue:

http://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/20/america-is-a-violent-country/

The price of gun rights?

In any case, the good news is it's getting better.

KWICKO

Monday, July 23, 2012 11:22 PM

Image no worky.

OONJERAH

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:26 AM

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up

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At first glace, it looks like what I'd expect; upon study, not so much.
In 1960, with 4 deaths per 100K compared to their 1.6-1.7. Gives us about
2.42 as many deadly assaults & then some. Easy to believe.

Then it does a steep climb into the 70's, peaking about 1978, about 9.75
deaths per 100k, while other countries didn't change much. It drops to
about 9 in the 80's, sorta levels off, & at the end of the decade, a steep
drop bringing us almost back down to our start of 4.

I don't get that the 70's-80's were more violent in America than now.
Are all the bad people locked up?

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I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll

REDREAD

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I don't get that the 70's-80's were more violent in America than now.
Are all the bad people locked up?

I think it's more likely a result of crime under-reporting.

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For more than two years, Adrian Schoolcraft secretly recorded every roll call at the 81st Precinct in Brooklyn and captured his superiors urging police officers to do two things in order to manipulate the "stats" that the department is under pressure to produce: Officers were told to arrest people who were doing little more than standing on the street, but they were also encouraged to disregard actual victims of serious crimes who wanted to file reports.

Arresting bystanders made it look like the department was efficient, while artificially reducing the amount of serious crime made the commander look good.

[...]

The [2010 NYPD] investigation found that crime complaints were changed to reflect misdemeanor rather than felony crimes, which prevented those incidents from being counted in the all-important crime statistics. In addition, the investigation concluded that "an unwillingness to prepare reports for index crimes exists or existed in the command."

Moreover, a significant number of serious index crimes were not entered into the computer tracking system known as OmniForm. "This was more than administrative error," the probe concluded.

There was an "atmosphere in the command where index crimes were scrutinized to the point where it became easier to either not take the report at all or to take a report for a lesser, non-index crime," investigators concluded.

[...]

The implications of the report are obvious: If the 81st Precinct was a typical station house, then crime manipulation is more widespread than city officials have admitted.

John Eterno, a criminologist at Molloy College and a former NYPD captain, says that what was happening in the 81st Precinct is no isolated case. "The pressures on commanders are enormous, to make sure the crime numbers look good," Eterno says. "This is a culture. This is happening in every precinct, every transit district, and every police housing service area. This culture has got to change."

source: http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-03-07/news/the-nypd-tapes-confirmed

HERO

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Image no worky.

Yeah, his point no makey.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:50 AM

Something IS wrong here....Your post should read

Wishimay....must be right in all this. ALL of the rest of you are wrong- GOD-2012

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:54 AM

Try this one and see if it shows up:

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KPO

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:58 AM

Thanks Kwick, that's the one. Posting images is hit and miss for me.

The graph was there when I posted my post, but disappeared when I refreshed the page...

It's not personal. It's just war.

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:07 PM

I think the png was the culprit - I downloaded it, saved it as a JPEG, uploaded it, and linked that, and it works.

FFF.net apparently doesn't like png format...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

NIKI2

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:12 PM

Ah, so you do the same thing I do, Mike, with .pngs. Yes, they don't show up, which is sometimes frustrating.

I don't necessarily "get" the chart either, so how about these, involving guns alone:

Quote:
In 2003, there were 30,136 firearm-related deaths in the United States; 16,907 (56%) suicides, 11,920 (40%) homicides (including 347 deaths due to legal intervention/war), and 962 (3%) undetermined/unintentional firearm deaths.
CDC/National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports 1999-2003 http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars

The rate of death from firearms in the United States is eight times higher than that in its economic counterparts in other parts of the world.
Kellermann AL and Waeckerle JF. Preventing Firearm Injuries. Ann Emerg Med July 1998; 32:77-79.

The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children younger than 15 years of age is nearly 12 times higher than among children in 25 other industrialized countries combined.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 1997;46:101-105.

The United States has the highest rate of youth homicides and suicides among the 26 wealthiest nations.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Rates of homicide, suicide, and firearm-related death among children: 26 industrialized countries.
MMWR. 1997;46:101-105. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/committees/gun_violence/resources/t
he_u_s_compared_to_other_nations.html complicated Excel spreadsheet gives exact figures from 1995-2010, if anyone wants to wade through it (@ http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/H
omicides_by_firearms.xls)

One simple fact:
Quote:
The number of handguns used in crime (approximately 7,500 per year) is very small compared to the approximately 70 million handguns in the United States (i.e., 0.011%) [Committee on Law and Justice (2004). "Chapter 4", Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. National Academy of Science. ]

According to Politifact:
Quote:
The main area where the U.S. exceeds the firearm violence of other nations is in comparison to other affluent nations. Using the U.N. data, European nations -- even former eastern bloc countries -- typically have rates well below 1 per 100,000, or far less than one-third the frequency seen in the U.S. The pattern is similar in other advanced industrialized nations, such as Canada, Taiwan, Japan, Australia and New Zealand.

One study published in 2011 confirms this finding. The study, published in the Journal of Trauma -- Injury Infection & Critical Care, found that firearm homicide rates were 19.5 times higher in the U.S. than in 23 other "high income" countries studied, using 2003 data. Rates for other types of gun deaths were also higher in the U.S., but by somewhat smaller margins: 5.8 times higher for firearm suicides (even though overall suicide rates were 30 percent lower in the U.S.) and 5.2 times higher for unintentional firearm deaths.

As it says, "The Facebook post says the "USA is #1 in gun violence." That's only true if you compare the U.S. with other affluent nations on a per capita basis."

The fact does remain that we are definitely a violent country, and one with far more gun deaths than any other country in our class.

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