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POSTED BY: JenDandy
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 8, 2004 21:21
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I for one, like Sci Fi and Fantasy because it is NOT reality.. hmm wonder where I could find a reality show? I like Firefly and such BECAUSE things work, people ( adopted family ) care about each other and work hard to make things work. Does not mean it will be easy.. all the characters have problems, but the others make the effort to help. So nope.. I hate it when they kill em off or break em up... I see enough of that in reality... ok a few interesting bumps.. but lets not get radical.
The Journey is the worthier part.
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I'd have to agree with the comment about predictability and Joss' relationships within his shows.
I think for him now the challenge would be in writing a relationship that does work.... Let's face it making a relationship work is harder than giving up on it and I often feel like that's what he's done with certain ones in the past. In particular Fred and Gunn.
It was obvious he'd reached the same point with that relationship as he had with Buffy/Angel Xander/Cordelia and just decided to give up on it.
Wash and Zoe should stay together and the interesting thing would be to see how they keep that working. Otherwise it renders any relationship potentials on the show Mal/Inara Simon/Kaylee, Kaylee/Jayne(Please!) as just defunct and pointless.
While I agree that Wash and Zoe should stay together since seeing them work out their conflicts within the confines of the ship is much more interesting than shipping one of them off, I disagree with the point that discontinuing the relationships on Buffy and Angel was a sign of giving up on writing something that works. Could Cordy and Xander really have lasted? They were never really a happy couple and after awhile the fact that there was always conflict between them got kinda annoying.
And I think it was Cordelia that said Angel and Buffy have the forbidden love of all time (or something like that).
As much as I want Wash/Zoe, Mal/Inara, and Kaylee/Simon to all be together and happy, quite frankly I'd find that sorta boring. And predictable.
As for Fred and Gunn, while I wasn't too thrilled with the breakup at the time, I did like that they did deal with the awkwardness afterward. And also that they didn't have to kill either one of them in order to break them up.
Anyway, that's just my 2 cents on the subject
If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"
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Originally posted by JenDandy:
I want to read Zoe/Wash fanfiction! I'm even trying to write one of my own right now.
-Sig rebel-
JenDandy, have you checked out Sarahetc's fic yet? She's done some great Wash/Zoe fics. Below is a link to her profile which has links to her fics.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/showprofile.asp?un=Sarahetc
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Hey, thanks for that Neroli. I'm already finished with 3 of 'em now. 
Oh, and I've said it before but I'll say it again. Conflict and drama are good but happiness is not always boring. Joss, do what you will with 'em but keep those crazy kids together is all I ask.
-Sig Rebel-
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While I agree that Wash and Zoe should stay together since seeing them work out their conflicts within the confines of the ship is much more interesting than shipping one of them off, I disagree with the point that discontinuing the relationships on Buffy and Angel was a sign of giving up on writing something that works. Could Cordy and Xander really have lasted? They were never really a happy couple and after awhile the fact that there was always conflict between them got kinda annoying.
And I think it was Cordelia that said Angel and Buffy have the forbidden love of all time (or something like that).
As much as I want Wash/Zoe, Mal/Inara, and Kaylee/Simon to all be together and happy, quite frankly I'd find that sorta boring. And predictable.
As for Fred and Gunn, while I wasn't too thrilled with the breakup at the time, I did like that they did deal with the awkwardness afterward. And also that they didn't have to kill either one of them in order to break them up.
Anyway, that's just my 2 cents on the subject
If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"
Hey Kellaina
Thanks for replying to what I said, sorry it's taken me so long but for some reason I've been unable to get the Firefly forum working today from work :(
Anyway I hear what you're saying. As regards Xander and Cordelia - that one for me was just not dealt with, either at the going out stage or after the break-up stage. And I think I remember Marti Noxon saying in one of the commentaries how she felt they'd not closed the book on that one yet.
Also given the fact that they went and paired Xander with Anya who ir remarkably similar to Cordelia as she was at the time of leaving Buffy, clearly highlights the need to see those two types of personalities in a relationship, and there again we really didn't have a resounding enough conclusion as to why that didn't work. Some character saying it won't work simply didn't cut it for me, after the hell that these two characters had gone through already to reach that stage. Surely they'd have had some belief in themselves in reserve no?
As for Buffy and Angel - why didn't this one work?!?! And why was it forbidden Love? Angels souls was restored more times than I can recall so.... That didn't make sense to me. If it was an issue that Angelus would take over they proved on many occaisions there were several ways of supressing that character, so Buffy and Angel could have been.
Although I must admit the interest was greater there knowing that it was doomed.
I highlighted Angel and Buffy as an extreme really but yes I think it works better that they didn't remain together, but Gunn and Fred?
Still foggy on that one....
If anyone has ever really been in love with someone and you're surrounded by that person day in day out, it is very difficult to just mosey around as though it's just an ordinary day.... It burns deeply knowing someone fails to love you back.
That was just swept away with. Gunn should have been a brocken man for a few episodes at least, and gone out and dusted a few vamps for laughs just to rid himself of the self loathing he would have had... Or is that just me :)
I mean I write these things and they probably seem critical, but not in the least, I thinks it is more a testament of great writing that it has me thinking to this extent.
I suppose the bottom line though is that it's no longer a surprise when a relationship on Joss' shows doesn't work, not because of bad writing but because of the clear signs he lays out to us as viewers... Being reasonably well versed in all his shows, I guess we'd spot a pattern and this is one of them in particular.
But y'know Joss is a genius and I'm in total admiration for his creativity, god knows I'd love to be able to write one page as well as he can three shows!
Anyway. good chatting about it.
Cheers
TheSomnambulist
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Much of Buffy and Angel is about the difficult stuff in life, and I think Firefly's the same in that. But the problems are different at each stage in life, once you get into a marriage, the difficult bit is staying married, so I think as many say above you can still have plenty of friction in the Zoe/ Wash relationship without completely ending it. It's more interesting to watch people keeping things together than them givingup. ISTR Joss saying maybe some of the Connor story in Angel would have come out differently if he'd had his own son first and the range of life stages various people in Firefly are at is much wider.
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