humanity's health
POSTED BY: 1kiki
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 21:38
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
You seem to think that looking back 2 generations is meaningful compared to the 40,000 year (or 2,000 generation) timeframe of the one study. You seem to think that I'm claiming Indians never died of disease, when in fact what I'm claiming is that many died young. You seem to think that nanoparticles like that from fires somehow didn’t affect Indians,
I'm sorry you can't keep up
I was going 4 generations back, you missed a few...
The gist of the article is that what tribespeople do is helpful in weeding out terminal abberations in genetic structure. I'm trying though metaphor to explain that "life finds a way" no matter what people do and that I don't think there is a shred of proof that our ancestors were ANY genetically heartier than we are. Or any worse, really.
Oh, and coming from someone who HAS RA...this nanoparticle causitive is COMPLETE CRAP. RA is caused by immune system reactions to infection and very small holes in the digestive system. I'm sure things in the envirnment don't make it better, but they sure ain't causing it, either. Don't belive everything you read...
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4 generations, 2 generations - yeah, I can see how your small sample set and an extra 2 whole generations competes with over 14,000 people and 2,000 generations in terms of data.
"I don't think there is a shred of proof that our ancestors were ANY genetically heartier than we are." Except those DNA studies that show a whole host of rare and recent genetic variants. Do you mean besides that?
"RA is caused by immune system reactions to infection and very small holes in the digestive system." Or maybe it's caused by genetics b/c it runs in your family! Well, OK that settles it then! One way or maybe the other! The world will thank you when you've finally published the answer, I'm sure.
"Don't belive everything you read..." You mean like didn't read this little gem somewhere and then believe it "RA is caused by immune system reactions to infection and very small holes in the digestive system"?
SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Except those DNA studies that show a whole host of rare and recent genetic variants. Do you mean besides that?
Or maybe it's caused by genetics b/c it runs in your family! Well, OK that settles it then! One way or maybe the other! The world will thank you when you've finally published the answer, I'm sure.
RECENT GENETIC VARIANTS?? Were they doing DNA a thousand years ago?? Whatever DNA they do manage to dig up is going to be compromised, so I don't see what they would have to compare today's to...
I have RA. It can be in the form of a dormant gene that is activated by certain things, and yes, I have been researching it for 10 years. I had a tooth abcess, pre-ecclampsia, and then a gallbladder removed within three years, all of which are known to trigger RA. I'm actually fairly certain I was showing symptoms as a child, but no one noticed. I also have an aunt(by marraige) who has it and they discoverd she had small holes in her digestive system and once they removed the diseased section, she felt much much better. I believe there to be several different forms of RA, but have to way to prove it. Also, when we moved here there was NO air filtration system AT ALL in our house, and I can say that I feel since we have one now that there is no difference in my RA.
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"RECENT GENETIC VARIANTS??"
You have to remember there are populations of people who have never moved out of Africa, never left the hunter-gatherer economy, never experienced a dramatic population increase, never had the benefit of modernity and its power to keep people alive. They never lived in the environment that is seen as the reason for the increased prevalence of rare genetic changes. It's not that they don't experience mutations (though since oxygen free radicals seem to be a cause they could possibly have reduced mutation rates), but that their mutations are constantly pruned by a demanding environment.
It's exactly equivalent to bacteria. The larger the colony, the more the genetic variation. The less the selective pressure, the higher the prevalence.
BTW, there is definite change in DNA even since the rise of agriculture and pastoralism, which can been seen in difference between agricultural/ pastoral populations and non-agricultural/ pastoral ones. We whites have smaller tooth size than native populations, reduced tendencies to diabetes, and tolerance to lactose beyond childhood.
"I have been researching it for 10 years." And have credited what you have read. It's not like you disbelieve everything you read, or think that other people should, too. It comes down to what things that you read do you trust.
"... there was NO air filtration system AT ALL in our house, and I can say that I feel since we have one now that there is no difference in my RA."
These particles are ultra-fine. Smaller than small. Cells, which are so good at keeping really REALLY small things out like sodium ions or glucose molecules or amino acids can't keep these particles out at all. They pass right into cells as if they had no cell membrane at all. And then they stick around due to physico-chemical bonding power. Here's an example:
(These aren't inorganic carbon ultrafine particles like you get from high temperature combustion. I did attend a lecture series on them and how they penetrate the cell a number of years ago. The photos were quite impressive.)
Even a really good air filter like a medical grade HEPA, which will remove allergens and even some viruses (and that's a good thing!), can't touch these particles.
SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.
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I go by what I feel. You can make empirical data say whatever you want these days and somebody will pay for it and publish it.
Even of there were nanoparticles and they were causing something, can't do anything about it. Can't live in a bubble, not gonna be Michael Jackson about it...
For the record, there's nothing about humanity that isn't some kind of freaky mutation 
Cut, print....
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What's RA?
I think any response that says "I trust my gut over scientific theory" must kind of end a debate, coz there is nowhere else to go.
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'Cuz "scientists" are never ever wrong and never have their own agendas, right?
For the record, I could back up what I'm saying with dozens of articles, the ones that make sense to me...but then I don't really care who believes me and who don't.
Here's a nicely timed article that illustrates my point... http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dr-drew-paid-glaxo-225700871.html
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Y'all right remember that I traded a large amount of samples for a discount off the deductible soon after that near fatal run-in with illness, yes ?
Mind you, part of why they wanted em was cause of my damn-near-miraculous resistance to illness or injury, and the thought of being able to help other folks also influenced my decision.
Well, there's something to the notion of mountain-folk DNA having that tendancy, science has shown promising evidence in this regard, but one recent bit of lore on this is very amusing - you know who ELSE shares a couple of the genetic invicibility strings ?
Ozzy Ozbourne.
http://science.discovery.com/stories/week/ozzy-osbourne.html
(Yanno, I wouldn't be surprised if we were distantly related...)
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"Sequencing and analysing individuals with extreme medical histories provides the greatest potential scientific value," Nathan Pearson told the Times. He is director of research at Knome, a Massachusetts company that will map the singer's genome using a blood sample.
The way cool thing about this is that - as I understand it, which isn't bloody much since my knowledge of this stuff is in a VERY limited field (regarding early trauma and abuse) regarding chem/bio stuff, apparently *IF* they can isolate exactly what little piece it is that promotes the near-invicibility, they can maybe create/implant it in others via RNA or something, and one doc mentioned this could potentially if not cure, would at least severely mitigate some stuff like MS and whatnot, which is downright awesome.
Yeah verily, we all know that DARPA will jack a copy to try to make super-soldiers with, but given their usual efficiency and effectiveness I ain't much concerned - and frankly, I think the idea of being able to assist folk is well worth putting up with whatever screwery elsewise might come of it.
One other bizarre thing (which is gonna require more samples) is the possibility I might be a Chimera, which explains much in that IF there's two distinct sets, as they think there might be, that also might explain a little bit about things cause I presume that's a bit like having autonomous backup systems - I dunno, my science knowhow is really lacking in this, but it's damn fascinating anyways.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_%28genetics%29#Human_chimeras
-Frem
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Can I jack a copy, I've had pneumonia all week, and I'd really like for THAT to stop
My lifetime total of infections...
2 bladder
9 UTIs
30+ sinus infections, sometimes multiple sinuses, the first starting at 3 days old...
2 Pneumonia
2 eye infections
had my tonsils taken out because of chronic strep
4 ear infections
2 severe reactions to poison leaves
I have been on anti-biotics or steroids at least once or twice a year for my entire life. I'm only 32... I don't get it...
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
'Cuz "scientists" are never ever wrong and never have their own agendas, right?
For the record, I could back up what I'm saying with dozens of articles, the ones that make sense to me...but then I don't really care who believes me and who don't.
Here's a nicely timed article that illustrates my point... http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dr-drew-paid-glaxo-225700871.html
There is a difference between viewing empirical data critically and throwing the whole lot out in favour of gut reaction.
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