GRRRR! AAARRRGGGH!

POSTED BY: JenDandy
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 8, 2004 21:21
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JENDANDY

Tuesday, September 7, 2004 7:42 AM

Sorry but I knew that title would have gotten more reads than if I stuck to my original which was "Joss Whedon and Heartbreak".

Ya all know how Joss likes to play with the old heart strings a little...well, a lot actually. On Buffy every couple - Buffy/Angel, Xander/Cordy, Oz/Willow, Willow/Tara, Buffy/Riley, Xander/Anya - were destroyed in some way during the course of the show. Either by death or cheating or any number of Joss Whedon-y things. On Angel it was the same with Angel/Cordy, Wes/Fred, and so on...

But I've got one thing to say if Joss or any of his minions EVER d*ck around with Zoe and Wash -

I'M GONNA BE SO FREAKING PISSED!!

That is all...

-Sig Rebel-

MENELUIN

Tuesday, September 7, 2004 7:47 AM

I agree, he'd better not mess with them! I have a feeling Simon/Kaylee will probably get together in the biblical sense (and I don't mean as Book might...) and that that will put their relationship in the position most likely to get messed with!

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YOUNGSPIRIT

Tuesday, September 7, 2004 8:16 AM

I remember one of the writers - Jane Espensen, I think, saying something about what would have happened to the Wash/Zoe r'ship had the series gone on, and she made the interesting comment "It might have gotten better, it might have gotten worse." Firefly being one of Joss' creations, I have a feeling that they might have split Zoe and Wash up, if only for a while. They really are two very different people, and as War Stories showed, they fight, they disagree... I think it might have been interesting for a r'ship so anchored - I mean, they're *married!* - so for them to even contemplate splitting up, let alone divorce would mean that *something* had to have happened.

I agree on the Simon/Kaylee score - those two need to (at least) kiss, and fast! But I also have hopes for Mal and Inara. Mal got close to admitting it in "Heart of Gold", so all we need is for Inara to come on board...

GROUNDED

Tuesday, September 7, 2004 9:56 AM

This is one of Joss' few failing points. Couples never last and so it becomes very easy to predict what happens to them. I read a few messages posted after Smile Time giving Fred/Wesley a couple of episodes before disaster - turned out they only needed one...

Nobody likes predictability.

EMBERS

Tuesday, September 7, 2004 10:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JenDandy:
But I've got one thing to say if Joss or any of his minions EVER d*ck around with Zoe and Wash -

Joss once said that he had no interest in writing about the boring world of happy people...so when he makes a couple happy, and it appears they have resolved all their problems (like Willow & Tara in Seeing Red, or like Wesley & Fred when they FINALLY got together) then you gotta know that someone is marked for death (I don't see that as a predictable failing, I just see it as the writer having no use for a static relationship...he wants change, and conflict).

Regarding Zoe and Wash...well I could see that down the road, when Mal may like and depend on Wash more than he does now, it would be fun to have marital conflict to cause everyone on the crew to have to 'chose sides'...
but personally I think Joss might leave this relationship alone for a long long time:
Zoe is part of the core group, can't lose her.
And Wash is his own (Joss' own) alter-ego on the show, can't lose him....

Altho I guess it would be possible to keep them both and have them hate each other....
but let's hope not!

JENDANDY

Tuesday, September 7, 2004 11:42 AM

Conflict between them is fine, sure, but if they decided to divorce or one of them died (WAAAAHHHH!) it would really break my heart - in a 'it's not real but I'm still very passionate about it' kind of way. Whatever Joss says, I personally, enjoy happiness in my characters as much as drama. I like watching them kiss or play around or laugh and have fun. Happiness doesn't always have to = boring.
I see the Zoe/Wash relationship as inspired. I'm 21 and married and (probably has to do with having a kid) even my husband and I, young as we are, don't have so much passion in our relationship. I love how they're still all over each other sometimes, marriage or no. It's very sweet.
I haven't been for a ship this much since The X-Files was actually good and Mulder and Scully weren't a couple yet (sh*t I was wrong about that one! They should have stayed friends!!) I want Zoe/Wash avitars! I want to read Zoe/Wash fanfiction! I'm even trying to write one of my own right now.

-Sig rebel-

DAIKATH

Tuesday, September 7, 2004 12:44 PM

I personally think this is the one relationship Joss woudl't do anyrthing about. It just is another part of the frontier and how we deal with it shown in a relationship.

I also think both their characters are very deep partly from the fact that they are married.

Somehow it feels wrong to split them up, it messes with a certain vibe with all of the relations on the crew.

I cant really specifically precisely say what it is, but somehow this feels like the one relationship wich should't be messed with.

Now I think about it.. there was little buildup to them hooking up so the horror of them splitting up is less. Also the characters have been introduced as married and stuff... ah well, ezxuse my ranting.

DIETCOKE

Tuesday, September 7, 2004 2:48 PM

I don't think you have to worry about Zoe and Wash. There WILL be conflict, I am sure of it and we saw some in War Stories. We know from Hearts of Gold that Zoe wants a baby and Wash doesn't right now. Another conflict.

So, I think there will be some struggles but I don't think they will break up. Now for the rest of the crew....we all know Joss can be grrr! aaaarrrgggh!

THESOMNAMBULIST

Tuesday, September 7, 2004 5:56 PM

I'd have to agree with the comment about predictability and Joss' relationships within his shows.

I think for him now the challenge would be in writing a relationship that does work.... Let's face it making a relationship work is harder than giving up on it and I often feel like that's what he's done with certain ones in the past. In particular Fred and Gunn.

It was obvious he'd reached the same point with that relationship as he had with Buffy/Angel Xander/Cordelia and just decided to give up on it.

Wash and Zoe should stay together and the interesting thing would be to see how they keep that working. Otherwise it renders any relationship potentials on the show Mal/Inara Simon/Kaylee, Kaylee/Jayne(Please!) as just defunct and pointless.

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DTT

Tuesday, September 7, 2004 6:01 PM

I hate it when shows get soap opera syndrome and rip relationships apart just for the sake of doing it. When it's done too much, it's just a pathetic way of making up for a lack of ideas. That said, there's a reason I'm not out there trying to write for tv shows.

Oh, and before anybody kills me, I don't think Joss really has done this. After all, his shows were about people who had yet to settle into relationships. Establishing one is some kinda hard to do.

"You didn't have to wound that man."
"Yeah, I know. It was just funny."

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