They finally did it...

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BUP

Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:58 PM

You aren't getting the cooties from C or B...why are you crabby? Jeal-ous!
I'm not jealous. Why are you?

BUP

Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:07 AM

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I just figured it was about time.

Sure, but that doesn't mean they should do it just any old way. Especially when it means seriously disrespecting one of the characters involved.

Beckett hangs off the side of a building. There's scaffolding stairs like five feet off to her side. She can't shuffle over to them despite us knowing she's supposed to be in good shape. She has to hallucinate she hears her love interest and call out his name, and slowly lose her grip when her cop buddies catch her.

I give them credit for them not having Castle stalk her until she gets in trouble and go to her rescue, but it still doesn't fix that problem, or these...

1) Why does Beckett have to be humiliated and proven wrong and Castle proven right about the fight she had with him about her safety? 2) Have to abandon her concern (which certainly won't stick) about her mother's murder, a driving motivating factor for her, in order to come to terms with her feelings? 3) Not to mention that whole thing about Castle trying to keep her safe, which is beyond messed up (she's a COP, he's a WRITER) and she had every right to remain pissed off, which as far as I can tell really shouldn't lead to romantic interludes.

Writing just did not work.

There is no problem with what you are saying.
I disagree. For four years we have had this elaborate dance charged with all kinds of emotions. If one person wasn't sad, hurt or wondering about the relationship the other one was. Countless ups and downs.
1) That is part of the story. Beckett is so lost in her emotional turmoil she isn't thinking straight even when the fire escape is only five feet away.
2) Sometimes a REALLY BIG WALL (caps for emphasis--I'm not yelling) has to fall on a person for them to even stop long enough to realize what they are doing. To get past it.
3) Castle was only picking up where Captain Montgomery left off when he tried to steer her in other directions. There are all kinds of romantic interludes and from time to time they can be motivated by anger or near death experiences.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:28 AM

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1) That is part of the story. Beckett is so lost in her emotional turmoil she isn't thinking straight even when the fire escape is only five feet away.

...yeah, no. In that situation she'd be thinking about SURVIVING, and it is just plain bad that she did not go for the obvious solution. This is someone who took shelter from a bomb in her bathtub. This is nowhere near that obscure.

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to even stop long enough to realize what they are doing. To get past it.

Shouldn't have even have come to that. It was pure idiot plot. And reconciling on the grounds that she's wrong about her mother's murder being a big deal? What? Just a bizarre approach and rationale.

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motivated by anger or near death experiences.

The episode tried to pass it off as dangerous, but the stairs were RIGHT THERE. Its not believeable as a near death experience.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:45 AM

I liked it and I thought it nicely done. I particularly liked the way Rick, in his frustration, told her how he felt. Nathan did that well.

You guys can sometimes get really snippy. It's just entertainment.

If you want some pseudo intellectual mannered crap there's plenty out there for you to glance over.

...Well here I am.

OLDGUY

Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:23 PM

my wife is waaay more serious about Castle than I am...and she was ready to write a letter or shoot the TV set if they didn't finally hook up Kate n Castle..so she was ready for it.

frankly.. I'll be surprised if the show gets a next season..and I'll be even more surprised if I get roped into watching it...

there have been some good episodes that I've enjoyed...Zombies last week was light watching fun for example.

but much of the show's efforts at an ongoing underlying theme have been too tedious and in enough cases, the liberal mindset of the network and writers have taken a plot in a direction that I just can't buy into.
all that to say I'm very happy that another Joss character has done so well and I'll put money on a bet any day that Nathan and the cute little strawberry daughter are spending a bit of time in their studio trailer..he seeems to really enjoy his hug scene moments.. (LOL)

BYTEMITE

Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:54 PM

The few things I like about the writing of the show is the side characters, the jokes, and the way they deal with cultures and subcultures pretty evenly for a cop show. Other cop shows would look at geek culture stuff and consider everyone deviant and automatically evil.

But the long term underlying plot and character development is kind of not good. And the will they won't they became ridiculous a long time ago, and actually detracts from the show.

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but much of the show's efforts at an ongoing underlying theme have been too tedious

Exactly. It's an excuse plot as a vector for unresolved tension. I suppose you can't expect too much considering that's the end goal, but at the same time, it doesn't make the bad writing okay. And that hook up was pretty badly written. A good hook up shouldn't have you saying "what" at the screen, shaking your head, rolling your eyes, or giving yourself a headache because it's such an outlandish and nonsensical situation. Everything that could have been applicable, like seeking life affirmation from a near-death experience, it was applied WRONG and writing wise was just plain not executed well. It's a credit to the actors if they made it work on any level.

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I'll put money on a bet any day that Nathan and the cute little strawberry daughter are spending a bit of time in their studio trailer..he seeems to really enjoy his hug scene moments.. (LOL)

He's been mentoring her, she's says it's a very father-daughter relationship.

ECGORDON

Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:55 PM

The only reason I've ever watched Castle is because of Nathan. Some of their episodes have been okay; the Halloween one where he wore Mal's outfit, the steampunk ep, the zombies, Adam's guest shot, etc. Most of the time it's dreary procedural crap I don't care about. I knew Caskett was just a matter of time, but they will either have to backtrack from that and throw some roadblock in their way, or else completely revamp the show into one where Beckett stays off the force but continues her pursuit of her mother's killers.

Even though it has not been announced yet, I would be extremely surprised if it is not renewed. It almost always wins its time slot with a respectable viewer number.

WISHIMAY

Friday, May 11, 2012 5:55 AM

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I liked it and I thought it nicely done. I particularly liked the way Rick, in his frustration, told her how he felt. Nathan did that well.

You guys can sometimes get really snippy. It's just entertainment.

Nathan's acting was spot on, I will give you that...The man has talent.

I understand where Byte's comin from though, Yeah, it's entertainment, but we have high expectations from our Crew. I felt like they based the whole hooking up thing on flimsy plot myself. I mean, I know better than most a woman can change her mind with the wind...but, I didn't buy it. It was just too easy, too convenient. But then, I've said all along it's New York and two hot adults taking three years to get busy???? Please. This day and age somebody would've been naked by the end of the week, I'm sure.. And the stairwell was pretty distracting, too. They did the whole "I'm falling one finger at a time" thing always reminds me of people drowning and holding up five fingers, then four, then three....Cheezy!

I love the fun of the show, and the subculture, but I hate that it feels dumbed down and flippant to viewers that pay attention...

THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, May 11, 2012 9:47 AM

Hey Wishimay

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Nathan's acting was spot on, I will give you that...The man has talent.

Doesn't he just. He's awesome.

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I understand where Byte's comin from though, Yeah, it's entertainment, but we have high expectations from our Crew. I felt like they based the whole hooking up thing on flimsy plot myself. I mean, I know better than most a woman can change her mind with the wind...but, I didn't buy it. It was just too easy, too convenient.

I understand where the frustration is coming from but these are the mechanics of the show. It has been like that since day one. So I personally saw nothing that was out of context with the 'ethos' of the show so it didn't bother me.

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But then, I've said all along it's New York and two hot adults taking three years to get busy???? Please. This day and age somebody would've been naked by the end of the week, I'm sure..

Again, this is contrary to the style of the show. What you speak of is something more akin to Sex and the City. You're absolutely right of course and spot on but it has no place in Castle and in particular to Kate and Rick's relationship. Their relationship is supposed to be something odd and difficult and, for want of a better word, exceptional. (and yes I realise how cheesy that sounds :)) But that's the rub.

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And the stairwell was pretty distracting, too. They did the whole "I'm falling one finger at a time" thing always reminds me of people drowning and holding up five fingers, then four, then three....Cheezy!

Ok well, you know I guess this is indefensible to an extent :D. I can only say that here what you're dealing with is 'classic' cinema/TV. It is cheesy you're right, but these creatives do tend to do this kind of thing. Chances are Andrew Marlowe is a fan of Hitchcock and in particular Vertigo, because it has all the motifs employed in that film. That I guess is just a writers privilege if you will. But fair enough you point out it's flaws.

They all do it. Joss does it with Buffy when Tara runs away from the Gentlemen then inexplicably trips over flat grass! It's just the language of the medium. *Shrugg* But I can let it slide personally (sometimes) because it's all about entertainment.

Part of me actually thinks that your frustration is exactly what the writers are going for. You clearly (myself included) have a vested interest in the characters and that's kind of the point. You care enough to be frustrated by it, which as a writer I would count as a success. A reaction, however negative it may seem, is better than no reaction at all.

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I love the fun of the show, and the subculture, but I hate that it feels dumbed down and flippant to viewers that pay attention.

I don't see why if you don't like something it is somehow dumbed down. I hear that phrase a lot and I think it's overused. But that's just my opinion. I think they did a great job; but I've always felt there was never going to be a satisfactory way to realise Kate and Rick's relationship. It had, as all these things do, become to big to pacify and it was always going to seem awkward. A bit like the ending to Lost; there was nothing grandiose enough to bring that to a satisfying conclusion.

°...Well here I am.°

THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, May 11, 2012 9:56 AM

Oh and I've just read. Castle has been renewed.

°...Well here I am.°

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