It's now or never.... Right....?
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UPDATED: Monday, May 28, 2012 18:11
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Originally posted by Suasor:
After Avengers, Joss will be listened to much more intently, and a lot more thought and consideration will go into how any new Firefly projects are turned down.
This assumes any Firefly projects are being pitched - and there is zero indication of that happening any time soon.
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Originally posted by lwaves:
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As for Firefly/Serenity?
I too hope that something will turn up but I'm also realistic. Too much time has gone by, the cast have grown older, moved on and whilst, like us, they look back very fondly on that time it won't be the same as it was then. Even if they got everybody back together it still wouldn't be the same show. It would be extremely hard, near impossible to recreate the magic that was there at the time. And the last thing any of us would want is a sub-par offering that tarnished the memories we have.
Yeah I think you've about nailed it Lwaves. It's very hard to argue against this sentiment really, but I just feel Joss is a different animal. I think he could make Firefly work ten years from when it stopped, I also think he's a clever enough fellow to even bring back Buffy and still make it smart and relevant. He has that tenacity.
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Originally posted by Suasor:
Then again, Firefly TNG is a possibility, leaving open the chance of guest shots by some of the original cast.
I don't see Whedon going that way at all. I think he is much more in love with the current character then he is with the 'Verse itself.
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and is widely ignored by the rest of the world. Thats about as niche as you get.
You're like retrospectively calling it a niche movie because it had a small devoted fanbase to start with and the fanbase didn't get much bigger afterward.
A niche is not a genre. When you're talking about niche you're generally talking about something a little more specific than "this is a sci-fi movie, sci-fi fans will go see it, therefore it is a sci-fi niche film." No. It's a sci-fi genre film. You get a broader crosssection of a market with a genre film than you do with a niche film. Niche means that the movie only a small group it appeals to within it's own genre market, like if you do a sci-fi robot pornography film. Only robot fetishists would be into that. THAT is niche.
Serenity was entirely able to attract people outside the series fandom and in the sci-fi genre fandom in general.
Therefore Serenity was a mainstream space western genre movie made out of a major motion picture studio that got a lot of critical acclaim but did mediocre at the box office because the cast and Joss were fairly unknown at the time. That's all. It's not niche.
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and is widely ignored by the rest of the world. Thats about as niche as you get.
You're like retrospectively calling it a niche movie because it had a small devoted fanbase to start with and the fanbase didn't get much bigger afterward.
No, I was talking about the entire lifespan of the franchise.
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It wasn't JUST marketed to the fans, it wasn't just marketed to a niche.
Marketed to and actaul appeal are not the same. A lot of niche properties are marketed to a broad audience - because they want to break out of that niche - but not all succeed.
And even then - it wasn't marketed to everyone - it was marketed to sci-fi fans, and Joss fans (From the creator of Buffy - a show which, even at its peak - was NICHE).
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Serenity was a mainstream space western genre movie that got a lot of critical acclaim but did mediocre at the box office because the cast and Joss were fairly unknown at the time. That's all. It's not niche.
Im not sure which definition of "niche" you're going with, but as far as I can tell, there are 2 that apply to the film industry - and Firefly/Serenity fits either:
NICHE: a distinct segment of a market.
OR
pertaining to or intended for a market niche; having specific appeal:
In film industry terms - its about as niche as you get. Sorry.
It was intended for mainstream - but it never GOT THERE - because the mainstream rejected it. You can come up with all the rationalizations as to why that you like - it's still not a mainstream property.
It was successfull however, with a very specific section of the market. Niche by definition.
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And even then - it wasn't marketed to everyone - it was marketed to sci-fi fans, and Joss fans (From the creator of Buffy - a show which, even at its peak - was NICHE).
Im not sure which definition of "niche" you're going with, but as far as I can tell, there are 2 that apply to the film industry - and Firefly/Serenity fits either:
NICHE: a distinct segment of a market.
OR
pertaining to or intended for a market niche; having specific appeal
In film industry terms - its about as niche as you get. Sorry.
It was intended for mainstream - but it never GOT THERE - because the mainstream rejected it. You can come up with all the rationalizations as to why that you like - it's still not a mainstream property.
It was successfull however, with a very specific section of the market. Niche by definition.
When you're talking about a niche film, it doesn't have quite the same meaning...
Look, let's take this piece by piece.
Space Western Genre. This is not niche, even though it will mostly attract sci-fi or space western fans, other people might still go see it. For example, Star Wars movies, which are more of a Space/Opera fantasy, but anyway. Pop-culture phenomenon. You see what I mean.
Therefore being Space Western does not inherently make something niche. Rather this is the GENRE. Being any genre technically doesn't make something niche in this sense, because otherwise you can argue that everything is niche.
Serenity is very Space Western. I think we agree here.
Joss Whedon has a fandom which represents a small segment of the total number of sci-fi (and in the buffy series, supernatural comedy/horror) fans.
This is not niche either because Serenity wasn't just marketed to them. It was MEANT to appeal to a broader audience. Just because it failed doesn't mean it's niche, it means it was a mainstream movie with a pre-existing fanbase, the movie was marketed to the mainstream, but failed with the mainstream.
A niche film means something that was MEANT to have an appeal with only a small segment of a larger target demographic. But Serenity wasn't MEANT to appeal to JUST sci-fi/Joss Whedon/Firefly fans. The people going to see Serenity weren't JUST sci-fi/Joss Whedon/Firefly fans, the public in general could have gone to Serenity. (See: Me. Never heard of the series OR Joss when I saw it in the theatres, and I don't particularly consider myself a sci-fi fan)
A niche film would be more like robot pornography that only a very small group of sci-fi fans (and robot fetishists) would go see and no one else would go see it. Developed entirely with them in mind, and marketed directly to them.
It's just a mainstream movie that failed, guys. It's not niche.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
It's just a mainstream movie that failed, guys.
...and movies that fail do not get sequels.
Niche or not it does not matter. Serenity failed to deliver what the studio wanted. Unless Whedon gets enough money to go it on his own I doubt we will see another movie. Even if he does we may not see one.
The reason Joss may not want to let go is because he knows Firefly will never be what he wanted it to be. He had the cast he wanted, the crew, the set, ect, and it did not pan out. Making a second movie would force him to make choice he may not want to make simply because of real world realities, and other forms may not be good enough.
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True.
On the other hand I still think the movie failed because the actors and Joss lacked notoriety more than anything else. Joss at least should get same name cred now, and that MIGHT change the landscape.
But. It's also accurate that we don't know how much the actors still like the show, and if they're just being nice to the fans. Same with Joss.
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Well, Joss has definitely proven to everyone that he can write and direct, not that we Browncoats didn't already know that. Couple his success with Avengers with Nathan's following from Castle, the fact that Morena is recognizable to many from her stint on V and her Homeland, and the backing of the browncoats and you have a solid base to work from.
I'd love to see this happen, but how busy will Joss be with large, lucrative offers? I imagine with two more Avengers movies signed his time will be limited at best.
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I disagree Zeek. I think CITW was a good "welcome mat" for the main event - The Avengers. It was inventive and fun, sure it didn't set Box records, but it was entertaining enough. The Avengers will have studio execs sit up and take notice.
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