What’s the element of success for Firefly
POSTED BY: barlong
UPDATED: Sunday, May 6, 2012 17:52
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Honesty.
The honesty of the characters and their perspective on the 'verse. (Both the BDH's and the bad guys.)
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I think it was a combination that made Firefly work so well. They nailed the sense of family among the crew. They did very well at having witty dialog which is something I really like. And I think you could just tell that the actors were enjoying themselves. No one was just going through the motions. All of that combined just made it kind of magical.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Not really - but that's becuase they're who I associate with the character. Had someone else gotten a given role, say if NPH had been cast as Simon, well - HE'D be Simon for me, and Sean Maher would be just some dude I couldn't imagine in the role.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
True, but a huge part of what made the show great was the interactions with the other actors. So if Harris would have been cast as Simon, he would be Simon to you and everyone else, of course that also means the show may not have been as good and you may not care who played the role at all.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Not really - but that's becuase they're who I associate with the character. Had someone else gotten a given role, say if NPH had been cast as Simon, well - HE'D be Simon for me, and Sean Maher would be just some dude I couldn't imagine in the role.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
True, but a huge part of what made the show great was the interactions with the other actors. So if Harris would have been cast as Simon, he would be Simon to you and everyone else, of course that also means the show may not have been as good and you may not care who played the role at all.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Honestly, Simon is the character I have the least affection for, and Maher, nothing personal against him, has never really registered much for me as an actor. If anything, I may have liked it more with Harris.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Honestly, Simon is the character I have the least affection for, and Maher, nothing personal against him, has never really registered much for me as an actor. If anything, I may have liked it more with Harris.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
For you then, maybe it would have worked.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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I mean synthahol??? Where's THAT get fun???
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He believes that the pacing and storyarc structure he created for Firefly would work poorly as a regular series Serenity does not have the wealth of background material generated by seven seasons of television to draw from
Joss' actual words about why there aren't Serenity novels and monthly comics:
Joss Whedon: It’s complicated, with Serenity particularly. It’s easy with Buffy in a way because again it’s a pop idea, it could have been a comic book before it was a movie. Serenity doesn’t really lend itself to that in the same way. You can tell fun, compelling stories about it, but you have sort of an ensemble drama that you’re making into a comic book, so you have to find stories that are gonna move in a different rhythm than Buffy stories.
With Serenity and Firefly, you couldn’t do a regular monthly comic the way you can with Buffy because their life isn't [event after event] in the same way. I know that’s strange because we did do a TV show that was not monthly but weekly, but it lends itself to these stories that we tell in a few issues that we really think out beforehand.
With Serenity, you want it to feel more like a novel than a straight-up superhero comic.
Publishers Weekly Comics Week: Are there more Serenity comics planned ?
Joss Whedon: Scott [Allie, Dark Horse editor] was definitely like, “Can we not wait three years in between comics next time ?” I’m like, “I hear where you’re going with that.” It is definitely contingent on us having time and finding a particular story. With Buffy, I have an overarching story and I can do anything I want in that. Obviously, like I said before, Serenity doesn’t work that way, so it has to be right. It’s not simple. And the dialogue is very easy to get wrong. Luckily [co-writer Brett Matthews] worked on the show, so he really understands it, but it’s hard to make sure—you can’t take a wrong step with that or it won’t work. Hopefully, we’re not doing that with Buffy, either, but it’s a little more delicate.
The difference also with Serenity is I have more trouble letting it out of my hands. Buffy I ran as a show, and obviously Firefly had a writing staff, a great one, but, for example, with novels—they’re like, “[Let’s do] Serenity novels !” The idea of somebody else writing a Serenity novel, I can’t handle.
*sigh
IF YOU WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE A NOVEL, JOSS- DO A DAMN NOVEL!!! Yer not the only decent writer on the planet...
I REALLY don't think he's giving us enough credit, or even, ANY credit. WE've hung around for TEN YEARS!!! waiting for a STORY. All he has to do is read and authorize stories he likes. He doesn't even have to give up complete creative control over THOSE, I'm sure most authors would agree to a little re-write on his say-so. And the dialogue isn't THAT hard to grasp either, I think most of us are pretty fluent. IT's a modern-westernized-redneck-cool- with an efficient streak, removing some conjunctions, and adding a little force and a little rhythm. Pah.
This guy is starting to drive me just a little insane.
Well, OK. Just a little MORE insane than I already was...
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It's his and he does not want anyone else doing anything with it. Lots of people are very protective of their work. George Lucas is the same way. Lucas may have licensed Star Wars out, but has said more then once that the Extended Universe is a different one then his Star Wars Universe.
"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."
EDIT: Joss even says that he can't handle someone else writing a Serenity (Firefly) novel...
The difference also with Serenity is I have more trouble letting it out of my hands. Buffy I ran as a show, and obviously Firefly had a writing staff, a great one, but, for example, with novels—they’re like, “[Let's do] Serenity novels!” The idea of somebody else writing a Serenity novel, I can’t handle. [But] there are 10 Buffy novels.
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/new-titles/adult-announcem
ents/article/6675-whedon-can--t-get-enough-serenity-.html
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Charactors and their situations and relationships with each other, setting, plots, wild West plus space minus aliens, human nature: the good the bad and the really ugly, costuming, dialogue and comedic elements (one of the most quotable shows I know). This is what makes Firefly a brilliant classic never to be eclipsed.
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Wish: Well he IS letting his brother write in the verse now. So it's not a total wash.
I kind of understand Joss and where he's coming from. He's still hurt by the cancellation and he's still trying to protect himself and the Firefly verse from further losses. I actually think he could make oodles of money if he wanted to put out a heist a week sort of serial, but maybe that's not what he wants. He wants it to keep its integrity I think.
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