6ixString's Home Improvement and Mindless Ramblings Thread....
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Monday, May 9, 2016 00:48
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Okay, I've dredged the Indiana Law Codes for you, and here's how it is.
THIS - is the fulltext of Indiana Law Code Article 30, relative to your profession.
http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title25/ar30/ch1.html
Once you sort through the legalese basically you have to have an actual company with $100,000.00 worth of liability insurance, in theory this is in case someone on your team screws up and gets you sued - but in practice this is to ensure the cops don't have to put up with too much competition.
The Exception Provisions are under IC 25-30-1-5, and do not seem to have quite as much slack in them as Michigan does, however THIS little tidbit seems potentially useful.
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IC 25-30-1-5(7) A retail merchant or an employee of the retail merchant to the extent that the person is hiring a private investigator for the purposes of loss prevention investigations for the retail merchant's retail establishment.
Which doesn't cover your current employment, and alas doesn't seem to cover residential or industrial, but DOES loophole you to work directly for a retail outlet as loss prevention sans licensing.
Also note the huge exceptions made for cops and lawyers, as usual.
Just for comparison here is the Michigan one, PL Act 300 of 1968.
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-Act-330-of-1968
And here's how I worked it.
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338.1052 Definitions; persons not subject to this act.
338.1052.2(g) "Private security police" means that part of a business organization or educational institution primarily responsible for the protection of property on the premises of the business organization, but does not include a private college security force.
We work for a Realty company, we protect their properties, simple, this - as long as the owner of the property is signing the checks we're paid with, it's all good.
How it works as a general rule in either state, is that the jerk running the company has the license and insurance, and then holds the licenses if any of the guard flunkies who are often as not untrained (technically a violation of the requirements, however no one but me seems to care) since they are then responsible for training and often do not do so.
Me, I never liked that - MY people *are* trained, and any situation they can't handle gets kicked up to me anyways, and unlike most of the jerks that run something like this I *will* show up, personally, and handle the situation.
Anyhows, case in point, how much "Training" did they give you, Jack ?
I am betting none, and if any, it SURE didn't include...
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Legal and ethical issues
Professionalism with the public
Non-lethal force
Detainment methods
Medical emergencies including CPR
Mind you, I try to have a first responder handy cause my own personal religious/philosophical beliefs forbid me to intervene in an imminently fatal situation save under certain strict conditions - essentially I cannot perform CPR on a stranger, so I make damn sure to have someone who can and will handy, right ?
Oh, and tryin to sell me a 3 legged dog wouldn't work cause of how you thought - I was all but born suspicious and paranoid, on the other hand, I like animals, better than people, and it might amuse you that since my ex and I have joint custody of the cats, I do have a three legged cat.
This is Squirmy - she was hit by a car in Ohio during a thunderstorm, nearly drowned, and some good hearted person dumped her on the doorstep of a vet and hightailed it (but hey, that's more than most would do!) - the vet took pity on her and managed to save her, but she lost the back-right leg, and my ex's cousin was one of that vets assistants.
They didn't wanna put her down after investing all that work, and cause she was the sweetest, friendliest little ball of energetic fluff, but people can be dicks about adopting a "defective" pet, so the question came up of
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Drat, I figured as much. By "board", you mean... who exactly? :)
Oh the Indiana Licensing Board, aka Indiana Professional Licensing Agency.
This is the direct link to their site.
http://www.in.gov/pla/2768.htm
See, I play the thug so well folks tend to forget I was originally trained as a Quartermaster, and frankly I have kicked more ass with MS Excel than I ever did with a crowbar, but don't tell the bad guys that.
-Frem
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I had a notion to change my name to Skip Boobly & become a roady for the Go Goz back in the 80z.
Aaaa, the good old daze!
Hirz my fave Belinda song:
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
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Hey Frem. So you can't intervene for strangers, but can you intervene for people you know, to save them I mean? I hope you can fix Wish's mower for her, it pisses me off royal when my stuff breaks so I can understand how annoying that is.
I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.
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Hey Wish, Good for you!
1) There's no pleasing some neighbors, but I'm sure he said it in jest.... somewhat... 
That's a good thing though. At least you have a neighbor who knows enough to know what to call it, and the fact that he's even aware that there was a problem means his house and lawn probably look as good as yours does. One of my neighbors has been fixing her house up for 8 years now and it looks great. My other neighbors, although they're really nice people.... not so much.... Nothing a nice big privacy fence won't fix though when I get the money/time for it.
2) I know a ton about rotted wood and mold... you know that. I know it sucks having to fix stuff like that before you move on, but you'll have the piece of mind that a hidden weak spot/potential health risk was fixed and done the right way before you covered it back up.
Give yerself a big 'ol pat on the back from me.
About the mower.... man... sorry to hear about that. I got lucky when I ran over somebodies disgusting soiled undies last summer (don't know if you remember that story or even remember if I posted about it). Leaking oil is no good. Maybe hubby, being an electrician, has a friend who does small engine repair, or has a friend who knows how to do it? Get that fixed ASAP. Don't put it off and let a minor problem become a huge problem.
Too bad you don't live by Frem. I'm not sure if he actually knows how to do small engine repair himself, but he has suggested to me in the past that I learn how to do it myself given my predispositions.
I got no pity for you on the A/C issue though... sorry about that :) For about 6 years now, I've owned two cars with no A/C (and similar quotes to fix them). Before that, even when I owned my car with A/C that worked, I didn't have the money coming in that I felt warranted that luxury. (I know.... I'm a cheap bastard!)
Focus on the positive and forget about the negative. If you can figure out how to do that... tell me how. :)
Thanks for summing it up for me Frem, I'm drinking some beers now and enjoying the first of 4 mornings I won't have to wake up at 3:30AM until it's back to the grind. I'm one of the few people you probably know that can understand Legalese, but I'm not fluent, and it does take me a while to ponder the true implications of each and every sentence as I go along still.....
Of course it's really about keeping the cops in business. In a way, although I know it's a sin to say, that's probably a GOOD thing, at least until our Government truly throws the constitution out the window. I know they're increasingly bending their own rules, and that's very scary, but at least we don't have Blackwater troops pulling us over for speeding violations and tazering us before they fist us with a glove to find drugs they have no reason to even suspect we have hidden in our rectum, right?
So... to make a long story short though... there's no sense in trying to ask for this license for my own personal use. I'm understanding that correct, right?
Training? lol
I had to watch 2 1/2 hours of DVDs on Customer Service stuff (Professionalism with the Public was actually covered here), an instructional video on driving (assuming I work a job where I have to drive site to site), and some other stuff I don't really remember and just let the other guy answer the questions as we went along and I'd just nod and use just enough brain power to figure if I thought he was right or wrong before filling it in while in Catatonia Land.
There was nothing on Non Lethal Force or Detainment Methods. Basically because we're not even a firm that is supposed to do any of that (maybe the guys who take the voluntary training courses are privy to more jobs like that which I'm not even aware of. It's a question I will be asking). We're there to do two things, and two things alone. 1) 90% of people who are capable o
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What do you think of this song?
http://www.myspace.com/b49teen84/radio
Hurt. by Jonny Cash, I meant, if it comes up with another song....
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Well there is that - not everyone in the biz is one of the good guys, sure, and I'll get more into that, prolly more than you ever wanted to know, in a bit..
I once tried to explain the exact specifics of who and who I could not help to HKCav and Anthony, both of whom started immediately pointing out exploitable loopholes, the treacherous gits, lol.
But most people, if my assistance alone is the deciding factor that might prevent your death ?
I'd advise makin peace with your maker, cause I cannot help you.
And yes, Squirmy the three-legged cat, who I taught human-words too.
The trick to that is picking a sound close to one they already made, then convincing them that you not only want them to make noise, but to make a specific noise - and the cat has to like you enough to want to bother, and it takes a damn long time... the payoff is however, quite worth it, since I taught her to say "Mei-Mei" which is Chinese for little sister, I think - and when she did that to a friends kid we were babysitting she nearly dropped a plate, mehehehe.
Molly, the other calico (tortiseshell type) can actually kind of manage a human hard "B" sound, which is odd but she's always been a strange cat, and I've been trying to teach her to say "Beer?", with debateable success so far - she was dumped on the doorstep an inch from death after being rescued from an abusive owner, and part of a pair, the other one did not survive the trip... generally if you can get a critter to my doorstep, it's gonna make it.
Ugh, Blackwater - okay, imma hafta explain why I hate em so...
Way back when I first broke with the military, I worked on an affiliate basis for Eagle/A-1 Services Ltd.
I'm sure that name means nothing to you till I point out that their direct competition at the time was a firm called Executive Outcomes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Outcomes
Basically I was in at the very dawn of the PMC concept, and EA1 preferred more morally-tolerable contracts, which over time got them financially wrecked by the scumbags like EO and others, long story short, the bad guys won that time around - what I did mostly for them was long range secured courier stuff, running cargo cross country that was sensitive and folks didn't wanna trust to a shipping company or the postal system, good money but you never got to freakin enjoy it cause you lived on the road, bleh.
And having broke with the military in great part due to not wanting to support the fuckin murderous Contras(1), I was on the more moral side of things with EA1 despite being a crazy bomb worshipping nihilist at the time, cause I'd just recently watched my own family and entire life come down in pieces around me so all I had left was the ability to do violence, really.
(1)S'funny, nobody believed me at the time cept those in on it with me, some of whom I co-opted into my crew, but *NOW* the words Iran-Contra are well known, aren't they ?
But to WHO and WHY mattered to me, to the point where the army considered me a class three conscientious objector, NOT because I had any moral issue with killin folk, but because I had philosophical and religious issues with killin em at a bulk rate, in that it dehumanizes them - you want someone dead, you put the hit on THAT PERSON and you pay job rate, at least in my viewpoint.
This of course goes out the window when someone sails a round at me cause I'll bury em in a fullisade of belt-fed 7.62x51mm out of sheer annoyance...
Thing is, I don't find the idea of capping people repugnant so much as the notion of capping someone I don't know, never met, who ain't done shit to me, on the say-so of some yahoo with fancy metal pins tellin me to - that's just insane, innit ?
So you had Wackenhut, which went from wanna-be to never-was as a result of poor hiring practices, incompetent personnel and getting into the for profit prison industry, but mostly absolute mismanagement and incompetence ruined em to the point where they had to run and hide un
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What do you think of this song?
http://www.myspace.com/b49teen84/radio
Hurt. by Jonny Cash, I meant, if it comes up with another song....
It came up with sum amatuer lameness. I went to Yotube & the Johnny Cash song soundz OK to me. I think I've heard that before in a movie.
I'm a guy! Herez the 'Meet the Author paje at Nooalf : [url] http://www.nooalf.com/JO753.html]
The avatar iz ANJeLENU, wun uv the Nooalf Warriorz that I will write storyz for wen I hav the time & inspiration. I got tired uv using CoR GWo and figured a nice hairdo will attract a little more curiosity and a better attitude than an in-your-face ape or inscrutable alien.
Also, I thought it coud be funny if sum newbie took a fascination with me & didnt bother to check the bio! hehehehe
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
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Frem, I don't think the things PN talks about give him any sort of "glee" and I know you know it.
I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.
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In home improvement news.....
Got the grass seed planted and raked in the pool-hole, the sand box hole and over the 2 removed stumps. Time will tell if this novice green-thumb did enough research to make it work.
I also removed, to the root, about 1/8 of the ally-way easement where the phone pole is stuck. I know it's not my responsibility, but it's apparent that everyone living here since the house was built in 1959 felt the same way. It's about 800 sq feet of weeds, and the only grass growing there is crab grass. It looks like shit, and apparently, it's looked like shit for over 50 years.......
I hope to have real grass growing there by mid-summer, as well as in my pool hole.
Until I get a good paying job that I can justify any large expenses, my only work on the house now that the 2nd floor is done is to get the yard looking good. It's all good. So much cheaper than the indoor expenses, and such a huge improvement from the street. The weather is fine now, and I can get a jump start on my tan.
Hey Frem,
Haha! I wanna teach a cat to say beer!
"Executive Outcomes", huh? I don't know which name is scarier, Blackwater or that? lol
Long range courier stuff... kinda sounds like the Shadowrun world. How many times did you wonder what exactly was in the packages you were delivering? If people don't trust the PO or the commercial carriers, and they're paying you to do it.... that's a question much better left unasked.
"Bomb Worshiping nihilist".... I can't even picture that. Glad that was left to Ted and the Unibomber... My family has always been in a state of upheval the likes most people I suspect wouldn't have to ponder (the sum of all the f-d up parts, mind you, not one individual gripe at a time). This time seems different though.... We were never "rich", but the kids grew up with health insurance and if my parents ever worried where the next meal was coming from, they never showed it. Things are pretty scary for some of them now though, and not just my bro I talk about all the time. I'm talking about people who worked hard all their life, and they've all but lost any perks in life that make keeping on even worthwhile. For some of them, it's getting to the point that if this economy doesn't turn around soon, they might have to sell their houses. Hell... if I don't find some steady work at a reasonable wage, I might be doing the same in the next year or two... assuming, of course, that anybody would even be in the market to buy at that point.
As for the rest of the history there... it's just too dark for me to contemplate much on. All I can say is I don't envy your positions in the past. I'm so glad that I was dating a girl who kept me out of the military back when I was going to willingly join. I'm thankful I've never had to kill anybody that somebody else told me I had to, or even have been in a position to kill-or-be-killed because I volunteered myself for a wage.
I'm no merc... I'm an idealist, and if the need ever arises I believe I am a survivalist, and I i think many of the quirks I have that handicap my personal life today would be very useful if things ever got really bad.... but I'm no merc. My ideal job is something that pays well that consists of making my superiors look good, also, with VERY little if zero oversight because they trust that I'll just get the job done better than anyone else can. The several times that I've lucked into that type of position, I do just that with VERY little effort. It's not bragging, but I'm just more organized and methodical than any one of my peers. I'm surely not the smartest person I've ever known by a long shot, but my behaviors and mindset are geared more towards that type of work. I don't need any awards and recognition... just show me the money, and give me just enough props to convince the middle management that it's a good i
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