Another shooting rampage in the US
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UPDATED: Monday, April 9, 2012 03:40
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:Quote:
No one wants to take all the guns away from people.
Hello,
Actually, some people do want this. I wouldn't be so concerned otherwise. People do want this and people have stated they want this and people work to achieve this.
Even some of those who graciously allow that I should be able to own a gun admit they'd prefer if I didn't actually carry one around.
Some would prefer to limit what sort of gun I should carry, of what caliber, of what capacity, of what COLOR AND SHAPE, of what MELTING POINT, etc.
If I knew that all attempts to control my ownership and carrying of guns would end at a competency test and a license at the local DMV, then I'd be very happy with that arrangement.
In any event, the point I made when posting the knife attack articles has clearly been lost by some here.
It's to show that the problem is not the gun. It's the guy who decides to commit mass murder. It's the society where people wake up and say, "Hey, I'm going to kill as many people as I can today." And it's the idea that they can do these things because they can find large groups of people who are defenseless.
When you take away weapon X from good people, bad people will either continue to acquire weapon X or proceed to weapon Y to do their dirty deeds.
And weapon Y can be surprisingly more effective than you'd thought. The real weapon, as always, is the man with murder on his mind.
Your right, some people do want to ban all guns, that is a very small percentage.
Banning or restricting certain types of guns will make it harder for people to get them. A person can do a lot more damage with an assult rifle then with a hand gun.
Yes the problem is ultimatly people. If we did not have people who decide to harm others we would not need any type of restrictions.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Prisons have strict gun control. If only the rest of us "free" people did.
Hello,
I suppose the difference between us is that the above quote horrifies me, and you see it as an ideal.
--Anthony
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Yet in all of these scenarios I've yet to read about an armed citizen stopping the event. Curious.
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Hello,
It does happen sometimes.
--Anthony
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:Quote:
Prisons have strict gun control. If only the rest of us "free" people did.
Hello,
I suppose the difference between us is that the above quote horrifies me, and you see it as an ideal.
I actually don't, that's not me saying that, but in any event I believe the writer was being facetious, using irony to make their point.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:Quote:
Prisons have strict gun control. If only the rest of us "free" people did.
Hello,
I suppose the difference between us is that the above quote horrifies me, and you see it as an ideal.
I actually don't, that's not me saying that, but in any event I believe the writer was being facetious, using irony to make their point.
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Hello,
Apologies. I didn't realize you were quoting the comments you disagreed with.
--Anthony
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Yet in all of these scenarios I've yet to read about an armed citizen stopping the event. Curious.
http://www.ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8378732
Hello,
It does happen sometimes.
I take this as more of a life lesson on where not to hang out - 2:30am Sunday morning at a dive bar "Players" in Nevada with 300 bikers.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Apologies. I didn't realize you were quoting the comments you disagreed with.
Sorry, I should have made it more plain that I disagreed with your take on this person's meaning.
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
And yet it doesn't happen - it's a beautiful sentiment but we'll all be dead and buried before our society ever reflects that kind of generosity at effective levels. There's the trope about "there's no truly unselfish act." Since I am stubborn and hell bent on being contrary at times I tried to find a completely unselfish act I could perform. I may have had it wrong but on each attempt I was thrown back, denied, and left cold. In one particular case when trying to help a relative, I was even rebuked, "you just want to gloat." I was there to help but they saw it as my taking pleasure in their pain, the exact opposite of my intentions. So I am putting "the intervening to help others" on hold.
In terms of guns making a more civilized society? So more police with guns then?or at least police as they should be. I agree with gun advocates when they say that a large part is "the person with the gun" and I don't trust some guy who's been to the range and never had any more training to make those life and death calls, not around me. It's never that clear cut, situational training has a real purpose. Zimmerman??????
I myself do not hold with such a hobbesian view of society, and feel that if the better way, the gentler path is untrue, then we should MAKE it true, if we do not have the answer then each of us, as individuals, must then BE the answer.
And I do try to do that, and damn the "cost" cause overall I consider it cheap at the price...
Being an already unhappy fellow, trading a little bit more misery for the happiness of others is barely a transaction in my eyes to the point where sans someone pointing it out, it often falls beneath my notice - all big things are made of little things, and never underestimate the power of small kindnesses.
As for firearms and training, I have stated repeatedly that I would much prefer someone with the training but not the weapon, than the weapon without the training - and I have no particular issue with the idea of making said training and proof of skill a mandatory requirement for ownership, I simply do not trust the Government to be directly involved in the process because they have proven, over and over, that they cannot be trusted with it - I would rather settle for manufacturers and dealers making and enforcing such a requirement in exchange for indemnity from lawsuit...
But this is what I call a Teflon Argument - people get so emotionally invested that logic and reason slide right off, you know ?
It's just a tool.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
[As for firearms and training, I have stated repeatedly that I would much prefer someone with the training but not the weapon, than the weapon without the training - and I have no particular issue with the idea of making said training and proof of skill a mandatory requirement for ownership, I simply do not trust the Government to be directly involved in the process because they have proven, over and over, that they cannot be trusted with it - I would rather settle for manufacturers and dealers making and enforcing such a requirement in exchange for indemnity from lawsuit...
I agreed with you up until the governmant part...that part was spoken like a true conservative!
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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That's the fun part of being an Anarchist.
The Liberals think you're too Conservative.
The Conservatives think you're too Liberal.
The Communists and Socialists hate your guts since they're always arguing about who gets to make resource decisions and you pointing out that no one NEEDS someone else to make that call kicks the foundations out from under their argument.
The Libertarians think you're a threat cause you're either what they'd like to be and do not dare, or cause they're a Randroid pretending those values to get their way and a natural enemy.
The Greens can't stand you cause you point out that Government has more often enabled or initiated ecological carnage than prevented it.
And the Fascists utterly despise you cause you stand in total opposition to everything they are.
While the Government hates you cause you generally ignore them and consider them irrelevant.
Hell is a pretty nice place, when there's nobody in charge of it, you know. 
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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