The plot thickens

POSTED BY: whozit
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:37
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Shouldn't there be a thread about the Justice System, USA?

Maybe another about how Most people are sorta nuts, but many others are truly insane.

Or personal responsibility means choosing sanity over the crazy Hyde within.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Your right to point out flaws, the thing is you are claiming that those flaws indicate that the whole system is in it self flawed. Guess what, there is no perfect system. Yes, changes can be made. Calling into question certian events, such as the investigation of the Martin case is good. Your not doing that. You come off as saying that coruption is the norm and should be expected in every case. Should people within the system be repremanded, absolutly. Should they be banned, yes depending on what they did.

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Not quite, I am saying corruption is BECOMING the norm, and we ought put a freakin stop to it, become less accepting and tolerant of it, and start applying social and legal pressure.

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A person that does something wrong for a long time is still wrong.

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You don't seem to get where I am coming from.

I try to point out leaks before they become floods, I try to bring attention to issues which damn well need attention, and part of my attitude about it comes from being pretty damned accurate about these things overall, and still taking six tons of shit about it when I bring them up.

It wasn't THAT long ago that abuse within the catholic church, and behavior modification hellcamps were considered urban legends, just a myth, no-such-thing... that only changed cause of folks *willing* to be assholes about it in order to bring attention to the problem despite being shouted down, mocked and sneered at, but that was over a long period of time - so to be more specific, there's been many things right here on this very board we've been through this same dance, I point out a problem or potential problem, get this kinda treatment, and yet when the dust settles...

Let's see, off the top of my head, just topics discussed here on this board;
Giving cops tasers without proper oversight is a bad idea.
Gardasil is not safe and effective, with significant and dangerous side effects.
The FLDS case was baseless and overreaching.
Government spying on civilians was far vaster and more invasive than admitted.
The State had no proper right to go after Maryanne Godboldo.

Each time, the same dance - so yeah, I got a bit of an attitude about it.
OTOH, look at the conduct of police, the brutality, the lies, the institutional corruption once passed off as isolated incidents and a few bad apples, now FINALLY brought to light by turning their surveillence society around on THEM, only now finally even BEGINNING to be addressed because of that self-same nobody's perfect, the system works shrug, only how many peoples lives and livelyhoods got wrecked in the meantime cause of that kind of denial ?
A denial which not only persists in light of the mounting evidence that those of us bitching were right the whole damn time, but has also resulted in some pretty strange legal manipulation in order to make it okay to for them to film us, but not okay for us to film them - which is a prevailing attitude within our justice system that is very damned corrosive to the nature of justice itself, either the same rules, rights and responsibilities apply to us all, or it's just tyranny by another name.

No, we're never gonna have a perfect system, but that is no reason to ignore, to not address KNOWN problems, and re-examine the system itself in order to start patching common flaw exploitation - look for example at that whole Cash-for-Kids scandal, that wasn't JUST two Judges, in order for that to happen it required a high level of institutional corruption within an entire court system, including the very folk supposed to have prevented it, the folk supposed to report that shit, and those most affected or harmed were unable to do any bloody thing about it cause the provisions to correct matters like this are either non-existent, or so weak and poorly enforced that they are ineffective.
Like a rotten onion, every time you peel back another layer, there's another level of corruption, it's not something we can just slap a bandaid on, we really do have to re-examine the sy

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We address issues of abuse of power and corruption just as we are doing, by looking at things and asking questions. The thing is you can't tell me that things a worse now then they were before the internet, social media, DNA evidence, and a whole range of other things.

Its hard for me to believe that you are simply pointing out the cracks when you rant about a slanted system and institutionalized corruption. That is what you get flack for. You can ask questions, and keep asking questions so loudly and often that people have no option but to address them. That is far different then leveling charges and creating drumheads.

Corruption and things such as hellcamps are brought down when people start asking questions, and do so in a serious way. Not by screaming wildly on street corners like a raving lunatic.

Yes this board has discussed a lot of issues and just like many boards looked at potential problems. Sometimes those seemingly overblown arguments turned out to be right, sometimes they were nothing but overblown arguments. However in each case it was not until more facts came out that the reality of the situation was seen that something happened. Those facts came out by the people looking for facts, not looking to achieve a certain end.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Nick, I think most of us here take into account what Frem's experienced when we read his posts. He has reason to feel the way he does, and has observed and experienced things most of us never will. While I agree, his way isn't the solution and it's frustrating how narrow-viewed he can sometimes be, AND you're right on a number of your points, I usually find it pretty easy to read between the lines, filter out what comes from his past experience and understand why he feels the way he does.

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Learn to take a compliment you angry crip.

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Oooo, there's another goodie to remember when anyone tries to defend Wulf.

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