The plot thickens

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

And I think you're being lazy and disingenuous.

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Okay. So I'm being lazy by really looking at things and trying to understand them, and not throwing my hands up and saying that the whole system is against me so there is no a fucking thing I can do about it.

HA!

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You would rather ignore the evidence than accept that things may not be as simple, as clean, cut and dried, as you would like them to be.
Cause that would revoke the ease of casting blame.

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Yes, because it is so much easier to blame everyone than just a few people, got it. See the easy way is blaming the system and thinking that everyone in it is somehow in on something. Sorry, that is not reality. There are people who will try and do good and others who will not. Those are the people who make up the system.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Yes, the people within the system and responsible for it have issues - but when the SYSTEM ITSELF is set up to exploit those flaws instead of mitigate them, when the necessary check and balance is UNABLE to check and balance - then you have a broken system.

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This will be good....

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Case in point: Executive Orders able to bypass and ignore Congressional Approval.

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Which are also not law! Did you somehow miss that part? Many Executive Orders merely direct how certain government agencies will run. Congress was never meant to run agencies. Congress can limit their power with legislation that is your check.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Case in point: Congresses ability to ignore the results of a lawful election.
(See Also: Victor L Berger)

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Yes they do. A group of elected official have the power not to seat someone if they feel that person should not be there. That is in the constitution. That in it self is a check of power. In this case it is a check that ensures communities can't place certain types of people in Washington. They have only done it a handful of times.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Case in point: Judicial ability to ignore a jury verdict.

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In civil trials, and most of the time it is done it is clearly moving the verdict to within the law. Juries are made up of people and as such can make mistakes.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
If the SYSTEM allows checks and balances to be ignored, those checks and balances intended to mitigate human failings ARE A FANTASY.
A dog and pony show for the masses, and nothing more.

Calling bias does not mitigate the facts, much as you might like it to.

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The problem is that they are not using the checks as you want them to. The checks are there, and they will work. The issue it that you have such a hate for any type of authority that you see all of them as corrupt. I don't think I have heard you talk about anything without some type of conspiracy being attached to it.

You may not serve the Blind God, but your whole outlook has made you bind yourself.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Says the guy who claims Judges threaten Jurors, and then posts a link to something saying pretty much the opposite (the Judgement Notwithstanding page stating it's very limited and rarely used, and the Directed Verdict page stating that a judge can only order acquittals - not convictions).

Spoon!"

Oh, Story...

You going against me, thats one thing.

But going against the rest of the gods?

Heh, Im Poseidon, and you are going after Ares?



Silly, silly, stupid rat creature.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Equating yourself to Gods now - and here I thought you couldn't be any more of an idiot jackass.

And yet, you sure showed me.

Spoon!

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
*sigh*
18 USC § 1503 is violated almost as a matter of course, rarely caught, even more rarely called out, but sufficiently so show there's a problem.
It's VERY common for a Judge to "lean on" the Jury, up to and including threatening to cite members for contempt who don't stick to the rails laid down in the often illegal "instructions".
Here's two pretty clear examples.

http://jonathanturley.org/2009/09/09/ninth-circuit-california-judge-im
properly-influenced-jury-to-convict-defendant/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/08/BAVK19K6QV
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http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-murder-ruling-overturned-judg
e-influence-story,0,4627042.story]

This is how blind you are, all three of these links show that the system is WORKING. The first two resulted in re-trials and the three in over-turning a conviction. Judges where wrong, and got called for it. That is why the system has the layers it does.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
There's also a history of deck-stacking via the supposedly "random" jury selection software in Wayne County, although this is done via different means depending on locality, and thus happens to be more of a local issue, although I would prefer at least a pretense of oversight and accountability on it, which there does not appear to be.

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Good thing the defence has the power to throw out juriers.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Not to mention how often The Innocence Project has once clearing the accused via DNA evidence, showed just how rigged and cherry picked the trails in question often were.
So there's evidence a-plenty all around...

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....and the Innocence Project is doing so throught the very system you are attcking. Using evidence that that was not availible in the past. Now I'm not saying coruption does not happen. The thing is the system at some point will catch it and correct it.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
AND - Lest you forget I am ALSO including the Juvie Justice System as well, and have you forgotten Judges Ciavarella and Conahan already ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

Or the fact that the charges against them were entirely financial, with NO regard to what they did to those kids and their lives, up to and including the eventual suicide of Edward Kenzakoski ?

Also, further investigation reveals this pattern of behavior goes back further than the arrangement between them and Robert Mericle, MUCH further, and involves the notoriously deadly Vision Quest program which killed Tammy Edmiston, Robert Zimmerman, Lyle Foodroy, Leon Anger, John Vincent Garrison, James Lamb, Eric David Schibley, Danny Lewis, Charles Lucas, Carlos Ruiz, Bernard Reefer, Robert Doyle Erwin, Mario Cano, and Dawnne Takeuchi - which are only the ones *I* know about.

THIS, was passed to me only a few days ago.

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That's horrible, charges should be brought against those...oh that's right they have been brought up on charges.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I feel for Davidson, I do - but disagree with his decision to veer away from advocacy journalism, for what is the purpose of journalism but to educate and motivate ?

I mean, did it never occur to you I have BLOODY GOOD REASONS to call our Justice System on it's flaws and conduct ?
That maybe my outrage is in part cause folks would rather deny them, and thus enable continued abuses, rather than set to and put some time and thought into fixing them ?
Case in point to that: the wacky way they had to address the wrongful convictions...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal#Victim_lawsuits
And initially they weren't going to even try till serious pressure was applied by the Juvenille Law Center and others, who have filed RICO-civil on these bastards.

Look, I am *not* just being a dick here, I am presenting known flaws within our system because at thi

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