"Racism is dead in America." Bullshit
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Sunday, August 30, 2026 19:02
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Does that make us all Nazis? Most of us? Many of us?" Did anyone claim that 'all' USers are racists? Most? Many? Is that the argument you want us to think has been made? "Or is it a concept that pretty much everyone realizes is wrong?" Or is this strawmanning? Or an effort to derail the debate onto a non-existent side argument?
What's the title of this thread, Kiki?
Does the fact that a Hispanic man shot a Black youth in less than clear circumstances mean that racism is alive and well in America?
When a Black youth allegedly shot and killed two visiting Englishmen in Sarasota Fl. a while ago, does that mean America is Anglophobic? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13110039
You're arguing an absurdity. Saying that racism is alive and well in America is not saying that America is a racist nation; it's saying that there ARE racists in America. If I admit that there are Anglophobes in America as well, that doesn't make the entire country Anglophobes, does it?
Geraldo Rivera (who I'm sure conservatives will claim is "just an entertainer" and not part of Fox News) says the hoodie is as responsible for Trayvon's death as the gun was. That seems pretty blatantly racist, to blame a black person for dressing in a way that implies that he deserved to be shot for what he was wearing.
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I like how the right (Geezer in this thread, Jong in the other) are now equating this to any violence.
We,, Geezer, did the men who shot those Englishmen get sent home, still armed, by the cops after it happened??
Somehow, I kinda doubt it.
Spoon!
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Your interpretation of events is subjective, doesn't take facts into evidence, and assumes things not in evidence.
Sound about right?
Good. I thought so.
Geez Niki,
What did I do to you? I was simply making a mash of news stories that I read in the past couple days(mostly Yahoo, and MSN news). Trying to sum up the current trend at where this hurricane is going. Of course it is subjective. In fact I think the only person that knows the whole story is Zimmerman...unfortunately.
I haven't had the "copycat" rountine since the third grade.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Saying that racism is alive and well in America is not saying that America is a racist nation; it's saying that there ARE racists in America. If I admit that there are Anglophobes in America as well, that doesn't make the entire country Anglophobes, does it?
Pretty much what I was saying.
It was Niki, in the first post in this thread, who said "racisim isn't only alive and well in America, it's allowed", and "a common enough occurrence that we don't pay much attention".
Kiki has sort'a been all over the place.
I figure that there are racists in the U.S. - of all varieties. However, there are a lot less of them than when I grew up in the '50s and '60s, and they know that they don't have the power any more.
I also figure that this shooting had little or nothing to do with racism, and more to do with cop wannabe gone wrong.
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I agree with the cop wannabe part. But as to racist having "no power", I think that's untrue. There are racists (or people who pander to them) in power right now, politicans who are passing voter ID laws and such. It may be that they're deluded into thinking they can bring institutionalized racism BACK and can't see that it's on its way out--or mostly not accepted officially--I don't know. But I think there are plenty of things around to show that racism exists and is still accepted to a degree. It's not "officially" allowed, but it takes place every day and exists in laws which are written for it but hide it (transparently) so as to make them "acceptable".
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Originally posted by Niki2:
There are racists (or people who pander to them) in power right now, politicans who are passing voter ID laws and such. It may be that they're deluded into thinking they can bring institutionalized racism BACK and can't see that it's on its way out--or mostly not accepted officially--I don't know.
That's not based on racism, in my opinion. That's based on the perception that the folks less likely to have I.D. (Poor. Minorities. Elderly)are the folks more likely to vote Democratic.
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
There are racists (or people who pander to them) in power right now, politicans who are passing voter ID laws and such. It may be that they're deluded into thinking they can bring institutionalized racism BACK and can't see that it's on its way out--or mostly not accepted officially--I don't know.
That's not based on racism, in my opinion. That's based on the perception that the folks less likely to have I.D. (Poor. Minorities. Elderly)are the folks more likely to vote Democratic.
I agree with Geezer on this point. If you put into place ways of the poor to obtain state ID card, if they don't have drivers licenses I see no valid argument against ID requirments at the polls.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Saying that racism is alive and well in America is not saying that America is a racist nation; it's saying that there ARE racists in America. If I admit that there are Anglophobes in America as well, that doesn't make the entire country Anglophobes, does it?
Pretty much what I was saying.
It was Niki, in the first post in this thread, who said "racisim isn't only alive and well in America, it's allowed", and "a common enough occurrence that we don't pay much attention".
Kiki has sort'a been all over the place.
I figure that there are racists in the U.S. - of all varieties. However, there are a lot less of them than when I grew up in the '50s and '60s, and they know that they don't have the power any more.
I also figure that this shooting had little or nothing to do with racism, and more to do with cop wannabe gone wrong.
I'm with you on most of this, but while I don't think racism was the main or only factor in this shooting, I think it probably played a part, and I'm by no means the only one saying that. Geraldo himself says that the hoodie the kid was wearing was as big a factor as the gun, which brings up the question of whether it's JUST hoodie shirts in general, of if it's something specific about black kids in hoodies.
Zimmerman seems to have reached the conclusion that a black kid in a hoodie was a threat, and worth confronting. I haven't heard any evidence that he ever displayed such behavior towards white kids in hoodies.
As to the two English tourists who were shot, it's not really a fair comparison, unless you can show me where the cops had someone in custody in those shootings and decided not to arrest, press charges, or even investigate, and sent the shooter home with his gun.
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
There are racists (or people who pander to them) in power right now, politicans who are passing voter ID laws and such. It may be that they're deluded into thinking they can bring institutionalized racism BACK and can't see that it's on its way out--or mostly not accepted officially--I don't know.
That's not based on racism, in my opinion. That's based on the perception that the folks less likely to have I.D. (Poor. Minorities. Elderly)are the folks more likely to vote Democratic.
I agree with Geezer on this point. If you put into place ways of the poor to obtain state ID card, if they don't have drivers licenses I see no valid argument against ID requirments at the polls.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
I'm just glad to see Geezer finally admit that it's a concerted effort to disenfranchise voters who are believed to support one particular party over another.
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Chickens coming home to roost.
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