The plot thickens

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AURAPTOR

Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:53 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Yes, Zimmerman has 90 pounds on Trayvon. I interpreted the elongated period of hollering for help as just what you suggested:
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Could be Z was pointing the gun @ Trayvon, and taunting him...
Did you listen to the two audios I put up in the "Racism is dead" thread? That might help you figure it out, it's kind of what helped me form my opinion. I just don't see anyone hollering "help" for that LONG if they're engaged in a fist fight...

I ran the 1st clip a couple of times. I wasn't even aware of what I was listening for until midway through... I then gave it 2nd listen. For the 911 call by the lady who heard the shouting...I only gave that a once through. I've seen fist fights last for long periods of time, where guys get up, move around, scrap, get into it, get up.... so the length of time for that isn't conclusive. Plus, I don't know what either individual sounds like, but I'm guessing those who know will be able to ID whose voice that is on the audio. I still am leaning toward my initial impression, that Z was holding the gun on Trayvon, and taunting him. Until more comes out, that's how I see it.

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To the best of my knowledge, Zimmerman wasn't dressed as any sort of authority figure. The police said at one point he was on a personal errand, and nobody's said whether he wears any kind of uniform when he's doing neighborhood watch. So I'm GUESSING he appeared as just a big, burly guy accosting Trayvon.

I'd STILL like to know two things I can't find anywhere:

--Why is nobody mentioning that this "stand your ground" law applied to Trayvon just as much as Zimmerman?

--And why has nobody mentioned whether Trayvon had grass stains or cuts or bruises?

This whole case has been hinky from the very start.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

OONJERAH

Saturday, March 24, 2012 11:16 PM

I think by now, about 97% of people who paid attention
find Zimmerman the aggressor ... and said so.

Zimmerman invaded Martin's ground. Simple to me.

MAL4PREZ

Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:19 AM

Niki, I've avoided all the clips related to this because I know they'll just really upset and anger me, but I listened to the clips with the alleged slur. I don't know. His voice sounds electronic, like it was spliced in there. Doesn't sound like a person talking. I'd have to listen to the whole call.

I think it doesn't really matter if the slur is there or not. The evidence I've seen suggests that the guy hunted and killed an innocent kid. I imagine that with all the evidence available, and with the Feds involved, Zimmerman will pay for what he did.

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

OONJERAH

Sunday, March 25, 2012 1:12 AM

Is this a Bad Idea or what?

"Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin homicide"
http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2012/03/black-panth
ers-offer-10000-bounty-for-capture-of-george-zimmerman-the-florida-killer/
blog by Dennis Byrne

ANTHONYT

Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Is this a Bad Idea or what?

"Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin homicide"
http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2012/03/black-panth
ers-offer-10000-bounty-for-capture-of-george-zimmerman-the-florida-killer/
blog by Dennis Byrne

Hello,

This is a terrible idea.

--Anthony

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GEEZER

Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:14 AM

Zimmerman is pretty obviously the instigator of the confrontation, but I expect there's stuff we haven't heard yet.

It does seem kind'a disproportionate that there's all this national outrage over this one shooting, as tragic as it was, and so little over the young black men getting killed every week by other young black men for pretty much nothing but a perceived slight or a pair of shoes. I wish someone would put the same effort into doing something about that.

1KIKI

Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:37 AM

"... that there's all this national outrage over this one shooting ..."

The outrage is about the fact that it didn't even get an investigation. The outrage is about the police department giving a white man a pass for killing a black boy.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:51 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
It does seem kind'a disproportionate that there's all this national outrage over this one shooting, as tragic as it was, and so little over the young black men getting killed every week by other young black men for pretty much nothing but a perceived slight or a pair of shoes. I wish someone would put the same effort into doing something about that.

People do, you just don't hear about it so much, a lot of what Augustus, Jackrabbit, Divine and Malek *DO* relates to that, but it does become especially difficult when the folk who SHOULD be ones allies in such a situation, that being official law enforcement, are often as just as predatory or even more so, and you wind up spending more time trying to protect the neighborhoods from the predation and provocations of their so-called protectors that trying to get them to stop shooting each OTHER winds up at a lower priority - and the stress grinds people up.

Other than Roy and Krings, the officers of both counties seem hell bent on waging war on "competition" like contract security or neighborhood watch of the actual respectable type, than they do working with us, so there's that problem to deal with first and foremost - thankfully Roy and Krings are focusing on the neighborhood across the street from here, and while I cannot offer any official support since it's out of my on-the-job "jurisdiction", on a personal level I'll back them all the way cause they're doing the job right, connecting with the community and working WITH them, instead of the usual war-mindset...

Something that, mind you, was greatly influenced by budget cuts thus depriving them OF those damn war-toys, cause when you've got a big hammer, every problem starts lookin like a nail.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

OONJERAH

Sunday, March 25, 2012 3:56 AM

News say the "New Black Panthers," & they are in Sanford FL showing a bit of ire.
Patience is needed. Not a good time for disturbance. The protest has gone well so far.

KWICKO

Sunday, March 25, 2012 4:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Is this a Bad Idea or what?

"Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin homicide"
http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2012/03/black-panth
ers-offer-10000-bounty-for-capture-of-george-zimmerman-the-florida-killer/
blog by Dennis Byrne

Bad idea. Very bad. They're acting like pretty much what they accuse Zimmerman of acting like: vigilantes, hell bent on "street justice". I foresee no good outcome to this plan of action, and while I can appreciate their frustration, I cannot condone this kind of action.

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