The plot thickens
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UPDATED: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:37
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But the fact still remains, the victim was worried about being followed by Zimmerman and was unarmed. Maybe he thought Zimmerman was a mugger and was defending himself by what he thought was a mugging?
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My far away view of this ? Zimmerman was playing billy bad ass night patrol. Saw Martin, didn't like how he ' looked ', and started to follow him. Words were exchanged, things got physical,and Zimmerman ended up on the ground , getting his butt whooped by a skinny black guy.
Then he murdered Trayvon, not out of self defense, but out of embarrassment.
I've not studied the time line, and likely am missing some key points, but that's my thumbnail sketch of the situation.
Am I wrong ? Fill me in. I'll hang up and listen.
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I agree with the first part, but if you listen to the tape, one or the other is crying help for quite a long time. I don't think it would be Zimmerman--he had the gun, why would he be crying for help? Given his past of agreesiveness, the fact that Trayvon had NO incidents of violence in his past, that Zimmerman had told people to be on the lookout for Black guys, and that Zimmerman was almost a hundred pounds heavier (and no doubt had previous experience fighting, so was in shape), my money is on Zimmerman being the aggressor.
Nobody has yet said if there were any grass stains on Trayvon or any cuts or bruises. My question is: Given all the national attention paid to this, why did a witness come forward to say Trayvon was the aggressor earlier than this?? The witness doesn't want to be identified, which is understandable, neither did Trayvon's girlfriend who was on the phone.
I'm afraid as far as I'm concerned, Zimmerman was the aggressor from start to finish; if Trayvon hit him, wasn't he acting under the "stand your ground" law anyway? He was obviously threatened, and that's what the law says...
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A cop, a security officer approaches you, it sometimes can be seen as intimidating. To anyone, not just black folk. Add that it's just the two of them, and Zimmerman is a bit larger (yes?), and coming at / after The kid... Easy to see how he'd feel threatened.
Don't know how it went down, but witnesses add more to the story & audio. If that was Zimmerman calling for help, likely he was getting a beat down, as the witnesses said. Or, could be that's not how things went down. Could be Z was pointing the gun @ Trayvon, and taunting him...
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Yes, Zimmerman has 90 pounds on Trayvon. I interpreted the elongated period of hollering for help as just what you suggested:Quote:
Did you listen to the two audios I put up in the "Racism is dead" thread? That might help you figure it out, it's kind of what helped me form my opinion. I just don't see anyone hollering "help" for that LONG if they're engaged in a fist fight...
Could be Z was pointing the gun @ Trayvon, and taunting him...
To the best of my knowledge, Zimmerman wasn't dressed as any sort of authority figure. The police said at one point he was on a personal errand, and nobody's said whether he wears any kind of uniform when he's doing neighborhood watch. So I'm GUESSING he appeared as just a big, burly guy accosting Trayvon.
I'd STILL like to know two things I can't find anywhere:
--Why is nobody mentioning that this "stand your ground" law applied to Trayvon just as much as Zimmerman?
--And why has nobody mentioned whether Trayvon had grass stains or cuts or bruises?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Yes, Zimmerman has 90 pounds on Trayvon. I interpreted the elongated period of hollering for help as just what you suggested:Quote:Did you listen to the two audios I put up in the "Racism is dead" thread? That might help you figure it out, it's kind of what helped me form my opinion. I just don't see anyone hollering "help" for that LONG if they're engaged in a fist fight...
Could be Z was pointing the gun @ Trayvon, and taunting him...
To the best of my knowledge, Zimmerman wasn't dressed as any sort of authority figure. The police said at one point he was on a personal errand, and nobody's said whether he wears any kind of uniform when he's doing neighborhood watch. So I'm GUESSING he appeared as just a big, burly guy accosting Trayvon.
I'd STILL like to know two things I can't find anywhere:
--Why is nobody mentioning that this "stand your ground" law applied to Trayvon just as much as Zimmerman?
--And why has nobody mentioned whether Trayvon had grass stains or cuts or bruises?
The "Stand your ground law" is the liberals way of dragging Jeb Bush (a Republican) into the story, I'm sure MSNBC is all over that...it's what they do.
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So NOW I hear the police chief has released a statement saying they didn't arrest Zimmerman because he claimed he had lost track of Trayvon and was "returning to his truck" when Trayvon jumped him. ?!?!?
First off, why didn't this come out before?
Second, this directly contradicts the girlfriend's testimony about being on the phone with Trayvon and hearing him ask "Why are you following me" and Zimmerman saying "What are you doing here?" So who's telling the truth? The logs show she WAS on a call to him just before he was shot, so...?
Third, what 17-year old, walking in the dark with Skittles and an ice tea, jumps a guy almost 100 pounds heavier than him?
Where were the skittles and ice tea found? If they were right there where Trayvon was shot, that's one thing which would indicate to me he wasn't out to jump anyone. If they were further away, like behind a bush or something, it would seem otherwise.
And again, WHY has nobody said anything about the state of Trayvon and his clothes, as to whether there's grass stain or any injuries??
More and more it's looking to me like Zimmerman and police are trying to pad the "facts"--there have been many deaths because of this "stand your ground" law since it went into effect both in Florida and other states...any possibility people like Zimmerman have become pretty complacent that it lets them get away with whatever they want? And this one blowing up in their faces has left them caught red-handed and trying to justify what happened?
I just don't buy this stuff coming out at this late date--even the girlfriend's testimony came out a bit late for my liking, tho' they said she was hospitalized after it happened for shock, so who knows?
Curiouser and curiouser...
(Oh, and by the way, there is at least one other witness who saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon, so are their memories clouded by their perspective, was one or the other mistaken, or what?)
ETA: Just FYI, I just saw a clip on TV of Jeb Bush saying he still backs the law, but that "this situation does not apply" because Zimmerman followed Trayvon. So we're going after Jeb Bush, eh? I see...
Further, MSNBC doesn't do politics or news (except very early in the morning) on weekends, so they can't get "all over it" until Monday--thus far, I haven't esen much mention of Jeb Bush on MSNBC, only that he and other governors signed the bills into law when they came around.
I also BELIEVER I heard that Jan Whatsername VETOED the "stand your ground" law when it came her way--aren't we supposed to hate her, too?
But go right ahead, keep trying...
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
A cop, a security officer approaches you, it sometimes can be seen as intimidating. To anyone, not just black folk.
This is why....
I DO wear a uniform, and in a more neutral, non-aggressive pattern and color, and make sure it looks professional - as an actual security officer you have no authority beyond what people give you voluntarily and that depends a lot on your appearance and demeanor, initially.
I do NOT (which I suspect Zimmerman did) get into peoples personal space, if I must confront or speak to someone I stop eight to twelve feet away with a friendly expression and polite greeting - this also protects ME cause if someone has to take a couple steps to get close enough to swing on you they have to think about it, good move in dealing with folk who may have poor impulse control.
AND I *deliberately* come off as a slacker hillbilly passing the time - or try to, for some reason this is wholly unconvincing to the people who live here no matter how true it is.
But rolling up on someone, getting in their personal space without properly identifying yourself or your intentions, physically crowding them - that's some seriously threatening conduct, and I would right then-and-there FIRE any of mine who did such a thing.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Quote:Actually, quite a few people are, both on this site (my first post on the other thread was about exactly this, and other posters have brought it up) and there have been articles about it. Sorry, I don't recall where I read them, but they are certainly out there.
Originally posted by Niki2:
--Why is nobody mentioning that this "stand your ground" law applied to Trayvon just as much as Zimmerman?
Quote:This is certainly missing information that's pretty damned important. I assume the Feds who've come into this are looking real hard at the autopsy report.
--And why has nobody mentioned whether Trayvon had grass stains or cuts or bruises?
Raptor - I believe what you posted above was exactly Frem's take on the situation. Wow - you two agree!
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Thanx, Mal4, I'll look for it. I'm glad it's getting SOME attention, I thought it was so weird. The "stand your ground" thing applies BEST to Trayvon, since he wasn't doing anything and it was Zimmerman who accosted HIM...but nobody seemed to be paying attention to that!
(raise hand) I mostly agreed with Raptor too, hey, hey! ;o)
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