"Racism is dead in America." Bullshit
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
How can people not, at the very least, have questions about Zimmerman and his story, and the police? I just don't get it; there's so much that is illogical or questionable about how it was handled, I don't understand why people are so determined to defend Zimmerman without even knowing all the facts, and with what facts are available clearly indicating there is something wrong with how it was handled.
I've not seen or heard anyone anywhere defend Zimmerman - someone in this thread?
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I've not seen or heard anyone anywhere defend Zimmerman - someone in this thread?
Hello,
Only indirectly by implication. The shooter was just a man trying to defend his neighborhood. He made reasonable assumptions. The victim's 'group' is to blame for those assumptions. They should improve their P.R. to protect people like this unfortunate shot boy.
--Anthony
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Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.
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"It's not the clothing that makes white folks think "gangster," it's black people in the clothing.."
Sorry, knew plenty of white boys in Fubu, that made me think gangster.
I get a kick when idiots with no history, no experience, no knowledge, try to talk like they know what is going on.
This is something you have no intelligence on. Keep to talking about Apple, and niche music, hipster.
Stick to what you know, and stop making a fool of yourself.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Only indirectly by implication. The shooter was just a man trying to defend his neighborhood. He made reasonable assumptions. The victim's 'group' is to blame for those assumptions. They should improve their P.R. to protect people like this unfortunate shot boy.
I thought the case against him was pretty open and shut after he ignored police telling him "don't follow him." My only question is what he'll plea.
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Quote:But Pizmo! Last week no one was thinking, "Wearing a hoodie is an easy way to get shot in this effed up world." You're letting this one man's act of slaughter redefine reality, which is EXACTLY its deepest intent.
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
I think we should work every day to make the world more fair and change the attitudes of people like Zimmerman, I don't think we should ever settle, and in the mean time as we improve things let's be smart about how effed that world can be.
That's what violence is about. That is precisely why violent people commit violence: to control and define reality for the victim and, by implied threat, for anyone who is watching.
It's what the attackers on 9/11 wanted to do. They wanted the terror of that morning to redefine our reality. And, to our unutterable shame in this country, they have largely succeeded.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:Quote:But Pizmo! Last week no one was thinking, "Wearing a hoodie is an easy way to get shot in this effed up world." You're letting this one man's act of slaughter redefine reality, which is EXACTLY its deepest intent.
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
I think we should work every day to make the world more fair and change the attitudes of people like Zimmerman, I don't think we should ever settle, and in the mean time as we improve things let's be smart about how effed that world can be.
That's what violence is about. That is precisely why violent people commit violence: to control and define reality for the victim and, by implied threat, for anyone who is watching.
It's what the attackers on 9/11 wanted to do. They wanted the terror of that morning to redefine our reality. And, to our unutterable shame in this country, they have largely succeeded.
And why did they succeed?
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Well, well:Quote:
Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee said he must "temporarily remove myself" from duty, a day after the City Commission voted 3-2 in favor of a nonbinding measure of no confidence in him.
"My role as the leader of this agency has become a distraction from the investigation …." Lee said during a news conference.
Zimmerman has not been arrested. Police say they have not charged Zimmerman because they have no evidence to contradict his story that he shot in self-defense, leading to a new debate over a controversial state law. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/22/sanford-police-chief-temporarily-
steps-down/?hpt=hp_c1 last is curious, to me, and brings to mind Kiki's question about killing someone then claiming self-defense. They have no evidence his story is TRUE, either, yet they chose to think in terms of "We can't prove he's lying". That's like saying "if you're dead, and nobody can offer evidence that you were killed wrongly, you get away with it", just as Kiki posited. How insane! There is no logic to this whatsoever. They HAD evidence Zimmerman was stalking him. They HAD evidence he's been over-zealous before. They HAD evidence Trayvon had nothing but skittles and ice tea on him, whereas Zimmerman had a gun. All that before anything else came out!
Completely aside from anything else, they let him go with his loaded gun, with no sobriety test, nothing. Obviously, if it had been a Black man, neighborhood-watch captain or no, it wouldn't have happened this way. How they can conceivabl justify what they did is beyond me.
Hope this law gets trashed in every state where it exists. It literally DOES say that if you're found standing over the body of someone with a loaded gun and ADMIT you shot them, if nobody saw anything and before any investigation goes on--say as to whether your injuries were self-inflicted, whether you were drunk, whether you were stalking the person, whether they were armed or not, whether they were doing ANYTHING wrong--you go home with your gun. How crazy is that?!?!
There'd BETTER be a GOOD investigation, 'cuz there are too many questions and not nearly enough answers. Someone should take a good long look at that police department from top to bottom; given one of the police CONTRADICTED a witnesses statement that Travvon yelled help, and another questioned Zimmerman rather than let him tell his story, and the fact that it wasn't the police chief, it was the OFFICERS who took Zimmerman at his word and sent him home, there should be a serious investigation.
Yes, attitude is top down, but these officers had no problem doing what they did; THEY should be investigated as well.
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There was no stalking. Zimmerman had the same right as Martin to be in that place.
There was no stalking?? What planet are you living on? Zimmerman said by his own account that he stalked Martin.
Florida's legal definition of stalking.
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FLORIDA
Section 784.048. STALKING; DEFINITIONS; PENALTIES. 1997.
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern a conduct composed of series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
(2) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person, and makes a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury, commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(4) Any person who, after an injunction for protection against repeat violence pursuant to s. 784.046, or an injunction for protection against domestic violence pursuant to s. 741.30, or after any other court-imposed prohibition of conduct toward the subject person that person's property, knowingly, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(5) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses a minor under 16 years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, so. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(6) Any law enforcement officer may arrest, without a warrant, any person he or she has probable cause to believe has violated the provisions of this section.
Zimmerman's actions served a legitimate purpose. This was an isolated incident, not a pattern of conduct. There was no credible threat prior to the incident. There was no repetition prior to the incident. There was no injunction.
Calling it stalking fails every test against the law.
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There was no prohibition for Zimmerman following Martin.
Sure, but if you stalk somebody in the dark they have a right to feel threatened and to protect themselves with force under Florida self-defence laws.
Do you know what happened between Zimmerman and Martin? Did Martin speak to Zimmerman or run? Did Zimmerman immediately get physical with Martin? It's a huge unknown. Supposition and guesswork only weaken any legal case that may come of this.Quote:Quote:
What was Martin's justification for hitting Zimmerman?
See above. By the way, I love how you've filled in all the blanks in this case yourself. You've established that it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman have you? Based on what?
I said hitting, not attacking. Do not put words in my mouth. Read the ABC news report I have linked multiple times in this thread. (Which I am beginning to feel nobody is reading.) There was an eyewitness who said he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Zimmerman had a bloody n
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First, as mentioned, Zimmerman ADMITTED he was staling Traynor, first by car, then on foot. Second, Trayvon had the same right as Zimmerman to be in that place, as well.
There was no stalking. Zimmerman had the same right as Martin to be in that place.Quote:
Leaving out that you have no way of knowing if Martin hit Zimmerman first or Zimmerman hit Martin, Trayvon's "justification" is the exact law that they say gave Zimmerman the right to shoot him. Feeling threatened. Going about his business, doing no harm, and having someone who has 100 lbs. on him follow him in the dark and demand to know what he's doing there. Remember that little "stand your ground" law?
What was Martin's justification for hitting Zimmerman?Quote:
I see you're right back to your usual mud slinging, nothing has changed. Nobody here has shown "no knowledge", and your "experience" is YOUR experience, not the entire world. Merely stating "there was no stalking" when Zimmerman openly admitted he stalked the kid shows your deliberate ignorance. Claiming something is not what it has been STATED to be isn't ignorance, it's deliberate ignorance. Deliberate ignorance of the facts is stupidity.
I get a kick when idiots with no history, no experience, no knowledge, try to talk like they know what is going on.
This is something you have no intelligence on. Keep to talking about Apple, and niche music, hipster.
Stick to what you know, and stop making a fool of yourself.
Calling people fools and idiots does nothing but make you look like an idiotic fool.
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"Higher" learning at Florida Atlantic University.
( dunno how long this'll be up....)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/white-fuin-mother-fuers-would-die-fl-s
tudent-flips-out-in-class-threatens-to-kill-prof/
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
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Niki, you had pikes ready and set to put this guys head on... when he was white....
now you've backed off that, and are trying a different tact.
This was a bad situation, that had bad consequences. Nothing more.
I was trying to point out how this could have been averted, maybe set us all on a better path... but you and yours fall on the same tired tactics that led to this.
That in fact, CAUSED this.
You can't see it. Yet, there were (ARE) others who were (ARE) smart enough to know that the sun doesn't revolve around the earth.
Lo siento, but this might actually bring things to a head.
ETA: Cus, I for one, am past tired of this PC, post-hippy B.S.
Its done, its over. 1960s to 2012s. Over 50 years of it. Im heartened by the fact that this generation is now starting to buck. And, are starting to finally look at how things really are.
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