Kaylee and River
POSTED BY: HotForKaylee
UPDATED: Sunday, December 8, 2002 01:49
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I would be temped to agree with you, but having seen the pilot I can almost 100% cofidently say that Book was not sent to watch river by anyone. I think he may be watching her now, but that was not why he originally came aboard serenity.
-Docebo
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Yeah, I don't suppose he was terribly deliberate in choosing Serenity. Oh well, I hope we get to find out.
SergeantX
"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith
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Almost tempted to start another thread for this one but what about since the end of Ariel and this one Jayne's seeming transformation? Buying fresh apples for the crew, pitching in his money, and going along for the fight.
Has he maybe learned something and is turning into "family man" Jayne?
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"I would be dead if not for you. You risked your life to save mine."
"You would have done the same."
"Yes, but I'm a better person."
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Quote:I agree with you actually! It's not that she's ashamed that she couldn't fire a gun. She's ashamed that she let the crew down in a crisis, when everyone else managed to step up to the plate.
Originally posted by SergeantX:
I dunno, I don't see Kaylee basing her ego much on firefights. If she'd messed up something in her ship she might be ashamed, but no one on the crew would really expect her to kick ass or anything.
On a slightly different topic, what if book is/was an agent for a rival gov't entity that knows about the blue hands, and is keeping an eye on River?... its a possibility.
Also, I've kinda suspected that myself about Book. But I have yet to see the pilot ep, which supposedly explains why he joined the crew.
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Quote:At the risk of starting another Great Jayne Debate (I'm the one who started the last one) I think he was being generous with his cut of the profits with the rest of the crew purely out of shame for what he tried to do on Ariel.
Originally posted by HotForKaylee:
Almost tempted to start another thread for this one but what about since the end of Ariel and this one Jayne's seeming transformation? Buying fresh apples for the crew, pitching in his money, and going along for the fight.
Has he maybe learned something and is turning into "family man" Jayne?
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I'm curious as to whether River's "gunplay mode" was an indication of what the Alliance was trying to turn her into, which some people here seem to think? Or was she just channeling another personality, the way she did in "Shindig"?
I suspect the latter.
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On the question of Kaylee feeling ashamed or afraid, I'd say all of the above. Several emotions seem to pass over Kaylee's face in her last scene.
She's ashamed all for herself. She feels as if she failed Mal and the crew, and probably as if she failed herself too. She expected better of herself.
She's also ashamed that River saw her crumble. And it only makes it worse that River turned out to be The Terminator. So now Kaylee's both afraid of River and ashamed that this frail little girl who she played with ended up taking charge when she herself fell apart.
Overall, Kaylee looks like she just doesn't know what to think right now, either of River or herself.
*sniff* One of the most heart-wrenching moments in my TV watching career, seeing that gun shaking in Kaylee's hand.
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Quote:VERY well stated, JonSP! (Particularly your last line.)
Originally posted by JonSP:
I'd say all of the above. Several emotions seem to pass over Kaylee's face in her last scene.
She's ashamed all for herself. She feels as if she failed Mal and the crew, and probably as if she failed herself too. She expected better of herself.
She's also ashamed that River saw her crumble. And it only makes it worse that River turned out to be The Terminator. So now Kaylee's both afraid of River and ashamed that this frail little girl who she played with ended up taking charge when she herself fell apart.
Overall, Kaylee looks like she just doesn't know what to think right now, either of River or herself.
*sniff* One of the most heart-wrenching moments in my TV watching career, seeing that gun shaking in Kaylee's hand.
And did anyone notice that chilling look that RIVER gave to KAYLEE when River was standing on the catwalk, and then walked away?
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Originally posted by kef:
And did anyone notice that chilling look that RIVER gave to KAYLEE when River was standing on the catwalk, and then walked away?
Two by two, hands of blue....I know something they don't know.? Hmmm.
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"There, you see! I'm going to live."
"So it would seem. Well, it's an imperfect universe."
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Quote:Indeed!
Two by two, hands of blue....I know something they don't know.? Hmmm.
Just went back and watched again and noticed another interesting detail.
River was able to shoot the guards without looking. And when River took the gun from Kaylee, she said to herself, "Can't look. Can't look."
Was she psyching herself?
"Psyching" as in she used her powers to be able to hit them without actually seeing them?
Or "psyching" as in she couldn't look at someone she was about to shoot because killing is abhorent to her?
Man, what an addictive show.
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