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Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:45 AM

Ummm.... thrilled? Umm, yeah.


The Mal-like Chrisisall

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TWO
Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Oh, and in the graffic novels of Farscape they do pretty well raising a baby on there...Also, I have a sneaking suspicion it could be two babies...

From the example of the Farscape comics, I think adding a baby is an old and tired idea for Firefly comics. The Farscape comics are written by Keith R. A. DeCandido, who also wrote the Serenity novelization. If Joss hires DeCandido to write Firefly, I will pray that they don't borrow baby story ideas from the Farscape scripts.

Here is a page from the baby-is-crying-plot in Farscape #1, November 2008. In Farscape #21, July 2011, there is a baby-assassination-plot. As they say on Farscape, “What the frell! Are you frelling me?”

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://isohunt.com/torrent_
details/313608917/farscape?tab=summary




The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:36 PM

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Originally posted by two:
Joss might as well put a wooden stake through Firefly.



Frankly, he did when he put the stake through Wash, both in reality and metaphorically.

I've had many discussions online with folks that dramatic change and growth doesn't need to come from death.
I see that as largely the easy out for lazy, limited or jaded screenwriters.

FLOAT OUT was weak tea.
Even if the story is "better" in the new comic,
it isn't a narrative I'm inclined to follow.
I'll leave that to the "Joss is Boss" crowd who will praise whatever he does,
and the "dark is better" crowd.
Hooray for ya'll that BDM SERENITY took FIREFLY in that direction,
but I'm not interested, engaged or entertained.

Mike
My Firefly/ Serenity Collection:
http://fireflydvd.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3541

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Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:58 PM

Hold on a minute. Calling Joss a jaded storyteller is probably accurate, and I didn't particularly like the use of death as a shock tactic. But dismissing everything post-movie because of it?

You're complaining that the movie made everything darker (too dark for you), so find me some genuine darkness in the post movie lore.

Heck, Zoe's even pregnant! I figured he wouldn't go there because it's bizarrely happy and optimistic and generous of Joss to give a character closure like that.

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Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:48 PM

Love the look of this freebie. Does anyone know whether it will be available to Browncoats here in England?

Ali D :~)
You can't take the sky from me...

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:57 AM

Hi Byte, I think you're being a little hard on Two, after all, you know I'm hesitant about post BDM cannon because of the way the movie ended, so I don't know that you can be so harsh on him. If he doesn't like post BDM then he doesn't like post BDM. I will dismiss things in post BDM land someday if things don't go my way too.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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TWO
Thursday, March 1, 2012 1:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Hi Byte, I think you're being a little hard on Two, after all, you know I'm hesitant about post BDM cannon because of the way the movie ended, so I don't know that you can be so harsh on him. If he doesn't like post BDM then he doesn't like post BDM. I will dismiss things in post BDM land someday if things don't go my way too.

In Farscape #24 October 2011, someone went out the airlock, without a spacesuit, to save the baby.

When a baby is on a spaceship, someday somebody will die horribly to save that kid.
It's a cliché comics writers can't resist, same as TV can't resist a birthing scene, which happens on every show, including Firefly. Remember Heart of Gold?

It's just better not to have children on a spaceship. That way, nobody has to die . . . in a hackneyed plot twist.

P.S. It wasn't me; it was pennausamike who wrote: “I've had many discussions online with folks that dramatic change and growth doesn't need to come from death.
I see that as largely the easy out for lazy, limited or jaded screenwriters.”

Serenity novelization and Farscape comics are by Keith R. A. DeCandido. This is from the latest story DeCandido wrote for Farscape. Eventually the babysitter must die in space. It is an unbreakable writing rule when there is a baby and I don't want that happening to the women of Firefly:


The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by two:
It's just better not to have children on a spaceship. That way, nobody has to die . . . in a hackneyed plot twist.

P.S. It wasn't me; it was pennausamike who wrote: “I've had many discussions online with folks that dramatic change and growth doesn't need to come from death.
I see that as largely the easy out for lazy, limited or jaded screenwriters.”




PEOPLE DIE, all the time- THIS AIN'T DISNEY!!
AND they are just characters, fun as they are, their time was limited from the moment two brain cells rubbed together...Alan Tudyk is still alive and kickin, ya know. Tragedy is just a device to bring you along on the roller coaster.

If I was playing god, I'd find a way to knock someone off a least once a season. Routines are what you do in the morning, fun is supposed to be spontaneous- and sometimes, just like real life- UNEXPECTED..... The guy writes awesome characters, trust him just a tiny bit and you will still be entertained. I don't know if you ever watched Voyager, but anyone remember when they got rid of Kess and brought in Jerry Ryan?? Tell me THAT wasn't for the best, especially you guys

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TWO
Thursday, March 1, 2012 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
PEOPLE DIE, all the time- THIS AIN'T DISNEY!!

In Disney, the rule is the Princess falls in love.

In contrast, Star Trek and Buffy were about being brave and slaying evil. Were there episodes where no one was, at the very least, seriously injured? That would be rare & abnormal. TV adventure shows are killing machines. It is the holy rule -- Thou Shall Kill. The writers give the people what they expect.

Firefly is no different. It has to follow The Rule. It is just too bad that somebody on Firefly will eventually die while saving Zoe's baby from danger, but it can't be helped. The Rule rules all.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 3:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:
Quote:

Originally posted by two:
Joss might as well put a wooden stake through Firefly.



Frankly, he did when he put the stake through Wash, both in reality and metaphorically.

I've had many discussions online with folks that dramatic change and growth doesn't need to come from death.
I see that as largely the easy out for lazy, limited or jaded screenwriters.

FLOAT OUT was weak tea.
Even if the story is "better" in the new comic,
it isn't a narrative I'm inclined to follow.
I'll leave that to the "Joss is Boss" crowd who will praise whatever he does,
and the "dark is better" crowd.
Hooray for ya'll that BDM SERENITY took FIREFLY in that direction,
but I'm not interested, engaged or entertained.



Being bitter and dismissive doesn't really make you sound like you're giving a mature and rational review. You don't like death. That's fine. It doesn't mean everyone who enjoyed the movie is a fanboy. Just accept that different people have different opinions. Joss was never going to please every single person with his movie. It's impossible.


I can fully understand not liking where a story ends up going. I'm a very judgmental person when it comes to works of fiction. Just ask Storymark. For instance, I'm not a fan of Zoe being pregnant. I'm not going to dismiss anyone who likes that development. To each their own.

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