Chilly reception for Mitt in Motor City
POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 03:31
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
A picture, as they say, is worth a thousand words.
What it doesn't show that the Romney speech was to the Detroit Economic Club. With a total membership of around 3,000, getting 1,000-1,200 to show up isn't too bad. Choice of venue might have been better.
http://www.econclub.org/Membership/
So comparing the pictures is the best kind of propaganda. You're not really lying, just not telling the whole truth.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Geezer, that's absolutely correct. As I heard and reported, there was originally another venue planned, but it wasn't big enough so they moved it. In other words, more people wanted to attend than they originally anticipated. Maybe nothing else was available. Comparing it to the other event is reeeeely reaching, there's no question about that.
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Uh huh, supposedly "popular" politician shows up and can't even get but half his target audience to show up, and no one ELSE shows up - or at least no one else they were willing to let anywhere near the pampered little prince, and what does that tell you ?
See, point is, that just as it's always been through history, despite all the pretenses which have prior to now successfully hidden it - these wackjobs and their supporters are a teeny TINY minority, albeit a very vocal one which has excellent propaganda and the ability to convincingly pretend there's actual support for them.
There ain't, never was, never will be - and that's true in a lesser degree of the other side as well, cause most folk don't "support" them so much as they stand AGAINST these nutters and that's kind of the only way to effectively do so in our screwed up political system.
And if you wanna speak of political manipulation and half-truths, then lets talk about how Occupy gets minimized or suppressed, or how Clear Channel distorted their own footage, or the abundant Yellow Journalism of the mainstream media in general pushing for a war nobody sane wants and fronting for candidates who ought to be in a fucking asylum somewhere instead of political office and yes that includes Obama though he's nowhere NEAR as nuts as these rightwingnut crazies hell bent on starting WWIII or another Civil War right here...
Who do not have even 1/8th of the support they are pretending to have and use nefarious means to make it look otherwise.
And then I get bitched at for pointing that out, yeah, sure, whatever.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Uh huh, supposedly "popular" politician shows up and can't even get but half his target audience to show up, and no one ELSE shows up - or at least no one else they were willing to let anywhere near the pampered little prince, and what does that tell you ?
I don't know. Frem.
Romney invited 3000 and got 1000-1200, depending on who you ask.
Obama invited anyone who'd show up from most of Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island, and got 16,000.
Not really equivalent.
And no matter how you or I feel about it, there were enough folks voting Republican out there to take the House - and a lot of state governments - in 2010, and they probably haven't changed their minds in the last couple of years.
About the best we can hope for is gridlock.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Allow me to counterpoint with this one.
Ron Paul packed the friggin venue, there were folks outside gathered round the building cause there weren't ROOM for em all.
Mind you that still doesn't change my position on the guy, as I have gone into detail here about before, but there's just no comparison here.
Mitt invited what shoulda been rabid supporters since they are all part of the pack of corporate predators bleeding my state dry, couldn't get even half of em to show up and got a barely lukewarm reception even from those...
Ron Paul just throws the doors open and it's like a friggin Aerosmith concert, that even took ME aback a little, I knew there was quite a bit of support for the guy here but wow.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Only time will tell, but if you look at the Republican governors swept into power in 2010, you might find you're wrong:
And no matter how you or I feel about it, there were enough folks voting Republican out there to take the House - and a lot of state governments - in 2010, and they probably haven't changed their minds in the last couple of years.Quote:
The other shoe in the saga of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's union-busting crusade dropped last week, and it landed with a ton-and-a-half thud. That's the literal weight of the more than 1 million signatures in favor of Walker's recall that progressive activists gathered over a 60-day window.
That's more than 16,000 signatures collected per day. It's nearly as many people as voted for Walker in his 2010 election (1.1 million) and roughly the same number that voted for his opponent. Roughly one in every three registered Wisconsin voters signed up. And since the threshold for a recall election is 540,000 signatures, it virtually guarantees Walker will face the voters this year.
But its significance extends beyond the fate of one right-wing zealot. Walker is the best known of a class of freshmen GOP governors whose conservative power grab might be Barack Obama's not-so-secret re-election weapon.
Walker, you will recall, ran for governor with nary a word about breaking the backs of the state's public unions and then made it a key part of his signature administration policy, an action he later compared to dropping "the bomb." He sparked a backlash that initially took the form of mass protests, with tens of thousands of enraged Wisconsinites occupying the state capitol before "occupy" became a movement.
The 1 million signatures should send a chill up the back of Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich or whoever the GOP taps to bear its standard. Wisconsin is a key swing state and the progressive movement just flexed some awfully strong organizational muscle there, sparked by Walker's ham-fisted overreach. The recall election, likely to occur in the late spring or early summer, will serve as a perfect progressive dry run for the Obama re-election in the fall.
And Wisconsin is not an isolated example. The Cook Political Report lists 10 states, with 142 electoral votes, as toss-ups. In that group, with 73 total electoral votes, are four states, including Wisconsin, where first-term Republican governors are foundering in the polls after their excessive policies spurred the kind of grass-roots movements that can be a huge boon to a presidential campaign.
Take Walker's neighboring colleague, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder. With the help of a GOP-controlled legislature, Snyder enacted a law that allows him to appoint "emergency financial managers" in financially troubled cities and school districts. These appointed individuals would have the power to fire actual elected officials, void union contracts, terminate services, sell off assets—even eliminate whole cities or school districts. And these localized tyrants could take these actions without any public input.
It's no wonder that Michigan State University's "State of the State" poll, released in early December, found that only 19 percent of Wolverine State residents rate Snyder's performance as excellent or good (down from 31.5 percent in the spring). Critics of the law have already collected nearly 200,000 signatures for a November referendum on the law.
Snyder's neighbor to the south, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, whose approval rating languishes in the mid-30s, received his stinging rebuke from the public last November. By 62 to 38 percent, voters repealed his legislative centerpiece, a Wisconsin-like law that barred public sector strikes, curtailed collective bargaining rights for public workers, and terminated binding arbitration of management-labor disputes. Opponents collected more than 1 million signatures (there's that number again) to g
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Wow. Talk about silly and a complete misrepresentation of the facts.
Look at the set up of the FORD field chairs / podium. It's clear that they didn't even intend for there to be much more show up than those who did... man, talk about COMPARISON FAIL.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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So, because they knew he's rather unpopular in the state and that they'd get a low turnout, it's unfair to note that they had a low turnout and couldn't fill a fiftieth of the venue?
And how is it "a complete misrepresentation of the facts" to show two pictures of events that actually happened?
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Hello,
I don't much care for Romney. I do like Ron Paul and have been impressed with how his message resonates with the masses. I'm not a huge fan of Auraptor.
In this case, however, I have to concede that Raptor's cry of Foul is accurate.
There is no question that the Romney camp made a P.R. blunder in moving a small gathering to a large venue.
But that's the beginning and end of what we can say about this.
When Romney, by design, invites the wide world to an event at a large venue, you'll be able to make a fair comparison to others who have done so. Until then, this is just comedy night fodder without much substance.
--Anthony
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, because they knew he's rather unpopular in the state and that they'd get a low turnout, it's unfair to note that they had a low turnout and couldn't fill a fiftieth of the venue?
They didn't expect more than 3,000. Tops. About 1/2 of that showed up. The blunder was over reserving space they'd never need in the first place.
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And how is it "a complete misrepresentation of the facts" to show two pictures of events that actually happened?
For the reasons mentioned above. And look at the photo. The back drop, podium, speakers of the Romney event, are located at 1 end of the field. Seats set up only extend to the end zone Clearly, they expected only a small portion of the stadium floor, not the entire stadium, to be used.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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