(SPOILER) Preview pages from Star Wars/Serenity free comic book

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UPDATED: Monday, March 5, 2012 22:47
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BYTEMITE

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:32 PM

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Where do I find that? Do you 'member the title?? Sounds interesting...

Honor Among Thieves by Jiolee.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:44 PM

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Serenity cannot be a safe place because there would be no stories for Joss to tell. Well, there would be dull stories. Who reads those?

Zoe is handy with a cutting torch. If Joss wanted it for her, she could find work at the shipyard where Serenity was rebuilt.

Zoe at work on Serenity. She has a future in building ships with her baby in daycare.

The safest place for a kid is with people who love it. A home HERE could be subject to the same things you might run across in space, fires, nuclear meltdowns, murders, theives, ect.

I've always thought that Mal and Zoe stayed together because they didn't have any other family (and because they respect each other.) In the Oswalt novel where does Zoe go?? To her family?? No, she goes to Wash's people...You'd have her go off to places unknown to people unknown alone with a baby to do manual labor the rest of her life?? And put it in a DAYCARE for buddha'a sake??... Yanno one of the main reasons I decided to stay home and not drop my kid off 9 years ago is because at the time there was this horrible rash of people beating, drugging, forcibly restraining kids, molesting them at daycare centers.... I couldn't do it. Nobody could care for her kid like she could, and you HAVE to have friends to help with kids or you pretty much go insane...

Oh, and in the graffic novels of Farscape they do pretty well raising a baby on there...Also, I have a sneaking suspicion it could be two babies...

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:52 PM

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A home HERE could be subject to the same things you might run across in space, fires, nuclear meltdowns, murders, theives, ect.

Just not as often. Which is really the main consideration here.

Actually, it kind of bothers me a little that Zoe appears to be blowing off Wash's wishes in regards to the upbringing he wanted to give his kids, especially when Zoe staying on Serenity kind of got him killed.

I really hope she does leave. The baby is almost certainly doomed if she stays.

Though honestly, I wouldn't have Zoe stay with Wash's friends either. Just drop by and say hi. Ultimately, parenting is whatever works, and isn't endangering to the child. Beyond that there's no way anyone can judge.

TWO

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:59 PM

Imagine Zoe not pregnant. I think Serenity: Float Out, the first comic where she is pregnant, would have been better if Zoe had met, at the Jet Wash naming ceremony, a pregnant ex-girlfriend carrying Wash's child. At first Zoe thinks Wash had been cheating -- he had not. Jayne says something stupid about Wash in front of Zoe and she punches Jayne's nose at the ceremony. That's entertainment! The not very entertaining comic written by O. Patton was 3 strangers reminiscing about Wash's piloting skill with Zoe arriving late, on the last few pages.

Before Wash was hired as Serenity's pilot, he had split from his not-yet-pregnant girlfriend because he did not want a child. After his death the girlfriend has the baby. Imagine Zoe's regrets and conflicting emotions on the last page of this alternate Serenity: Float Out: she will never see Wash again and someone else will have his child. That might be enough to get stoical Zoe to breakdown in tears when she returns to the privacy of the cabin she shared with Wash.

That's how I solve the problem of keeping Wash's baby safe without making Zoe look like she doesn't know she is in great danger in every episode of Firefly.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:59 AM

I think you do an awful lot of romanticizing of what "coulda been" and a whole lot of ignoring what "is"...

Wash is dead. Zoe is preggers. Entertainment doesn't always go the way you want. This isn't an actual baby in actual harm anyways...You wanna be Captain of The Timeline of Never-Neverland, be my guest. Till Joss and Co. say otherwise, I'll soak up the current imagin-ality for what it is...fun.

RIONAEIRE

Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:11 AM

I can't blame Two for trying, if certain things occur in the Firefly timeline in future I'll probably really have a significant problem, so I can't blame him for imagining other possibilities, he's doing better than I will do.

The problem with new stuff is that Firefly has become bigger than Joss, bigger than most things, so Joss, even though he's the creator of it, could totally screw it up and I'd have no recourse. So every time a new comic comes out and Byte reassures me that its okay I breathe a huge sigh of relief and that inevitable day of reckoning is posponed further.

As for Zoe though I see both sides of this issue, Byte says she should settle somewhere and that argument makes sense, safety is huge for little ones and Zoe's baby has to come first, when you have kids they need to be your no. 1. But on the other hand I can't think of a more important ingredient to child rearing than love, and there would be love in spades aboard Serenity for a wonderful new Wash/Zoe baby, more love from more people than it would have planet side. So I see both sides to this issue.

My logical self is with Byte, keep that baby safe. But my emotional self is with Wish, give that baby huge heaps of love and family.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

TWO

Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:40 AM

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Wash is dead. Zoe is preggers. Entertainment doesn't always go the way you want. This isn't an actual baby in actual harm anyways...You wanna be Captain of The Timeline of Never-Neverland, be my guest. Till Joss and Co. say otherwise, I'll soak up the current imagin-ality for what it is...fun.

Did anybody love Serenity: Float Out? I'm amazed Joss executive produced that stinker. And I don't care if it is canonical Firefly. The next time Joss lets Patton Oswalt write a comic, I am not buying it.

When children are added to a story, you get The Descendants or Take Shelter or The Tree of Life, all very fine movies, but none will have comic book sequels made. Adding one child (or two!) to Firefly will domesticate it. Or emasculate it. Neither are good for the average comic book buyer. Joss might as well put a wooden stake through Firefly. Expanding the story into parenthood will kill the Firefly comics.

Joss' choices are cruel. Either the baby must be sent out for adoption to save the comics or Zoe must leave Serenity. If only Patton Oswalt had the good sense to put Wash's baby into Wash's ex-girlfriend, we would have been entertained by the idea of Wash cheating on Zoe rather than horrified at how crappy Serenity: Float Out was.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:27 AM

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When children are added to a story, you get The Descendants or Take Shelter or The Tree of Life, all very fine movies, but none will have comic book sequels made. Adding one child (or two!) to Firefly will domesticate it. Or emasculate it. Neither are good for the average comic book buyer. Joss might as well put a wooden stake through Firefly. Expanding the story into parenthood will kill the Firefly comics.

Like I said...FARSCAPE GRAFFIC NOVELS...which I don't even LIKE graffic novels to begin with, but, oh well...It's not like every episode would even be about the baby, hell- most of the time Zoe is kind of a bit player herself. She could always "opt-out" of the more dangerous work anyhoo... And maybe more new people for backup, yay!
Lots of people actually like babies, ya know...'Course I'm referring here to PEOPLE

EBFIDDLER

Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:41 AM

Very interesting! Thanks for posting the links, Two.

A couple of comments.

It's very funny to see Han and Mal in such close juxtaposition, both responding to offers to buy their ships. I'm looking forward to seeing how the plots play out.

Cover art: absolutely fantastic. a work of love. Inside art: not so much. Oh well.

Argument over should Zoe stay/go / raise kid on ship/be a welder at a shipyard/put kid in daycare/meet Wash's ex-girlfriend -- well, I don't much see the point in arguing this. There are a gazillion fanfics out there that have tackled this question, each in different ways. While inserting a child into the context of Serenity as portrayed on the TV series or the movie doesn't make a lot of sense, the actions portrayed in series and movie have consequences. Anywhere except on TV (and perhaps in comics?), situations don't remain static. Life goes on and people mature and grow as a result of the stuff they're dealing with. Mal and Zoe post-movie are not the same exact people they were on the show. If Mal didn't learn something from Miranda, and losing a couple of good friends, and seeing his best friend widowed, then he's a hopeless idiot. Exactly *what* he learned is an open question. I can see Serenity evolving into the kind of place that Zoe could reasonably raise her child. It's just not at that place during the TV series or the movie. It all depends on what decisions are made post-movie, what kind of place Serenity becomes. My preference is to browse fanfics until I find one that suits my mood at the time. Everything from "Zoe dies in childbirth" to "Serenity becomes a floating nursery." Door's wide open.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:39 AM

Something I think might be an option is, even though the activity going on there might be inappropriate, I think the Heart of Gold brothel might be a good safehouse now that Rance is gone.

It's too bad Haven got trashed, that would also be a very nice place. Maybe some of the people managed to escape and rebuild? if so, they might offer Zoe a home and community close to where her husband is buried.

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