That lovely, peaceful religion of peace...

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1KIKI

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:07 AM

"Your evidence is...?"

Credible pertinent testimony that the judge threw out.

And yours?

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The hard thing about living by a set of principles is that sometimes good guys do the wrong thing, and you have to defend- not the bad guys themselves, but their rights. Because if the bad guys lose their rights, the good guys are next.

Not to mention how grating it is when a self-admitted villain has to step up and berate folks for their conduct cause no one else will, thankfully averted in this case, but still...

And yes, Siggy, that's about right.

You lay hands on ME without consent, you'll get decked, law or no law, and you'll be damn fortunate if I don't put a boot to you for good measure.

I still find it ironic how no one wanted to reasonably discuss it elsewhere when I brought it up - and IMHO the Judge should be unceremoniously pitched from the bench in disgrace, AND the perp should face charges for a Civil Rights Violation since his intentions were specifically to suppress or discourage the suppression of, Free Speech by another.

And of course, I am, and have always been since the foundation of my own consciousness, of the opinion that the moment deliberate and unwanted physical contact occurs you have the moral, if not legal, right to beat the friggin paste out of who did it.

Period.

I find it funny that you don't point out the suspiciousness of the timing of it, or of the misinformation of much of it. This is so full of political & media manipulation and agenda, hard to know what is true.

And I'm sure there are Muslims who have the same trip wire code of behavior as you do, except it pertains to in this case, "if you lay your hands on my prophet... I will take the offensive cardboard sign away from you."

I think the judge should get a raise, but I'm sure with the s-storm he'll get canned.

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1KIKI

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 AM

Yanno, next time I see a guy on the street corner ranting about how we're all sinners and going to be destroyed for being worthless, I think I'll take it upon myself to assault him. It looks like assault is free if you claim you were offended.

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Your evidence is...?"

Credible pertinent testimony that the judge threw out.

And yours?

No way you can go by that video, that only leaves the Officer's testimony, and he wasn't there since the atheist stated he had to go get a cop. Funny, the Muslim wanted a cop too because he thought the sign was against the law. More stuff keeps coming out about this - I see people calling the Muslim "Immigrant." "get that Immigrant out of here!" Seems to have touched a lot of hate nerves.
The cop said the Muslim admitted to grabbing the atheist (I'd like to see that testimony, grabbing the sign or the guy?) but I think the judge thought better just to send them packing with a warning and hoped it blow over. I think he was afraid of it getting out of hand. Sorry buddy!
And also check your sources - ironically I would discount most of the Christian ones - in the pecking order of hate amongst religions it looks like Christians have chosen Atheists over Muslims.

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:28 AM

The officer SAID that the Muslim admitted at the time to grabbing the atheist.

Now maybe he hadn't been Mirandized, but unless that were the case the officer's statement should also be included.

Once the case goes forward, then you can start looking for other witnesses... there were lots of people at the side of the road, not?

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yanno, next time I see a guy on the street corner ranting about how we're all sinners and going to be destroyed for being worthless, I think I'll take it upon myself to assault him. It looks like assault is free if you claim you were offended.

That's an oversimplified reading of what happened, but go for it, tell us how it works out.

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PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The officer SAID that the Muslim admitted at the time to grabbing the atheist.

Now maybe he hadn't been Mirandized, but unless that were the case the officer's statement should also be included.

Once the case goes forward, then you can start looking for other witnesses... there were lots of people at the side of the road, not?

I am not dismissing that - I do want to know the judge's reason for not finding that sufficient. Remember, we're getting most of this from questionable sources - I want to see that testimony, I want to see how it was asked and answered. Did he think he asked if had grabbed the sign or the guy? The victim in my opinion is not a credible witness.
Other witnesses? Man, it was dark, the guy's a Muslim in the US, sounds like a turkey shoot.

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1KIKI

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:36 AM

Well hey, as long as nobody catches it ON VIDEO, it doesn't matter what anyone else says, and I can admit to it all I want, even to a cop, and I'll still be golden.

That better?

It's still a freebie.

ANTHONYT

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:38 AM

Hello,

To me, being intentionally provocative isn’t important. Lots of speech IS intentionally provocative. The pecking order of hate isn’t important, either. The conspiracy of propaganda isn’t important. All the ancillary nonsense isn’t important.

This is what’s important: A guy was grievously and publicly insulting of a religious figure.

Some people seem to think it’s okay to accost him for it. Perhaps even expected.

Others don’t feel this way.

Those of us who don’t feel this way are called Zealots who can’t distinguish between shades of gray, being manipulated by various insidious forces.

--Anthony

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RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:57 AM

Do you like beating people up Kiki so you're looking for a freebie?

Obviously the guy has the right to wear whatever sign he wants and whatever costume he wants. I understand that the Muslim man was offended and wanted to give the Atheist a piece of his mind. But when you do that then the legal system gets involved and sometimes you come out on top and often you don't, since the Atheist was within his rights, even if he was being obnoxious, but there's no law against being obnoxious or doing provocative things that might offend others.

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